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From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: "Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/7] mm/zone_device: Add order argument to folio_free callback
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2026 13:55:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6AFCEB51-8EE1-4AC9-8F39-FCA561BE8CB5@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260112182500.GI745888@ziepe.ca>

On 12 Jan 2026, at 13:25, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 12:46:57PM -0500, Zi Yan wrote:
>> On 12 Jan 2026, at 11:50, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 11:31:04AM -0500, Zi Yan wrote:
>>>>> folio_free()
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Allocator finds free memory
>>>>> 2) zone_device_page_init() allocates the memory and makes refcount=1
>>>>> 3) __folio_put() knows the recount 0.
>>>>> 4) free_zone_device_folio() calls folio_free(), but it doesn't
>>>>>    actually need to undo prep_compound_page() because *NOTHING* can
>>>>>    use the page pointer at this point.
>>>>> 5) Driver puts the memory back into the allocator and now #1 can
>>>>>    happen. It knows how much memory to put back because folio->order
>>>>>    is valid from #2
>>>>> 6) #1 happens again, then #2 happens again and the folio is in the
>>>>>    right state for use. The successor #2 fully undoes the work of the
>>>>>    predecessor #2.
>>>>
>>>> But how can a successor #2 undo the work if the second #1 only allocates
>>>> half of the original folio? For example, an order-9 at PFN 0 is
>>>> allocated and freed, then an order-8 at PFN 0 is allocated and another
>>>> order-8 at PFN 256 is allocated. How can two #2s undo the same order-9
>>>> without corrupting each other’s data?
>>>
>>> What do you mean? The fundamental rule is you can't read the folio or
>>> the order outside folio_free once it's refcount reaches 0.
>>
>> There is no such a rule. In core MM, folio_split(), which splits a high
>> order folio to low order ones, freezes the folio (turning refcount to 0)
>> and manipulates the folio order and all tail pages compound_head to
>> restructure the folio.
>
> That's different, I am talking about reaching 0 because it has been
> freed, meaning there are no external pointers to it.
>
> Further, when a page is frozen page_ref_freeze() takes in the number
> of references the caller has ownership over and it doesn't succeed if
> there are stray references elsewhere.
>
> This is very important because the entire operating model of split
> only works if it has exclusive locks over all the valid pointers into
> that page.
>
> Spurious refcount failures concurrent with split cannot be allowed.
>
> I don't see how pointing at __folio_freeze_and_split_unmapped() can
> justify this series.
>

But from anyone looking at the folio state, refcount == 0, compound_head
is set, they cannot tell the difference.

If what you said is true, why is free_pages_prepare() needed? No one
should touch these free pages. Why bother resetting these states.

>> Your fundamental rule breaks this.  Allowing compound information
>> to stay after a folio is freed means you cannot tell whether a folio
>> is under split or freed.
>
> You can't refcount a folio out of nothing. It has to come from a
> memory location that already is holding a refcount, and then you can
> incr it.

Right. There is also no guarantee that all code is correct and follows
this.

My point here is that calling prep_compound_page() on a compound page
does not follow core MM’s conventions.

Best Regards,
Yan, Zi


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-12 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-11 20:55 [PATCH v4 0/7] Enable THP support in drm_pagemap Francois Dugast
2026-01-11 20:55 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] mm/zone_device: Add order argument to folio_free callback Francois Dugast
2026-01-11 22:35   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-12  0:19     ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-12  0:51       ` Zi Yan
2026-01-12  1:37         ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-12  4:50         ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-12 13:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-12 16:31           ` Zi Yan
2026-01-12 16:50             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-12 17:46               ` Zi Yan
2026-01-12 18:25                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-12 18:55                   ` Zi Yan [this message]
2026-01-12 19:28                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-12 23:07               ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-12 21:49           ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-12 23:15             ` Zi Yan
2026-01-12 23:22               ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-11 20:55 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] mm/zone_device: Add free_zone_device_folio_prepare() helper Francois Dugast
2026-01-12  0:44   ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-12  1:16     ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-12  2:15       ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-12  2:37         ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-12  2:50           ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-11 20:55 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] fs/dax: Use " Francois Dugast
2026-01-12  4:14   ` kernel test robot
2026-01-11 20:55 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] drm/pagemap: Unlock and put folios when possible Francois Dugast
2026-01-11 20:55 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] drm/pagemap: Add helper to access zone_device_data Francois Dugast
2026-01-11 20:55 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] drm/pagemap: Correct cpages calculation for migrate_vma_setup Francois Dugast
2026-01-12 14:17   ` Francois Dugast
2026-01-11 20:55 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] drm/pagemap: Enable THP support for GPU memory migration Francois Dugast
2026-01-11 21:37   ` Matthew Brost

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