From: Dan Williams <djbw@kernel.org>
To: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org
Cc: linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] What's brewing in CXL?
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2026 19:35:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <69d5bf0ab2210_2b3110036@djbw-dev.notmuch> (raw)
For the summit I offered to organize a discussion on what has been
happening in CXL since Plumbers and a summary of the monthly CXL calls
since. The session goal is present top challenges, address concerns /
questions from the room, and perhaps introduce the CXL topics that have
their own session later in the day.
Please do comment, question, ack/nak, or add to the themes below to
highlight interest and help focus on the few topics we can cover in the
limited time.
* CXL vs MM:
* Much of the angst of "CXL vs MM" has been harnessed by Gregory in
his Private Memory Nodes proposal [1]. The meta discussion for this
session would be questions like "how many former device-dax use cases
can be subsumed by a mechanism like this?". In general, the game here is
how to properly isolate memory that does not behave like locally
attached DRAM.
* The granularity of CXL hotplug vs memory_blocks vs various
distribution hotplug policies stimulated a proposal to support full
"region" hotplug [2].
* CXL vs Platform Firmware (ACPI/EFI/BIOS):
* Attempts to use software interleaving to amortize the surprise of
"memory that does not behave like locally attached DRAM", introduce
firmware dependencies. The firmware descriptions of the performance need
to be complete and match a shared understanding of the requirements.
Surprise, sometimes this does not line up. [3].
* Firmware, in trying to be helpful to pre-CXL aware OSes, pre-map CXL
memory (whether public generic expansion or private belonging to an
accelerator) into the system address map. This causes problems for a
subsystem that wants to support hot remove and re-assignment of
host-bridge resources. Lack of a specified protocol and the resulting
problems it causes for accelerator reset and driver reload, need more
thought.
* CXL vs PCI:
* While CXL capabilities are enumerated over PCI, to software it is an
additional optional protocol. The subsystem supports being built as a
module. This has led to a design for error handling that sees the PCI
core minimally involved to forward events over kfifo. This arrangement
is raising ongoing questions for uAPI like PCI reset and vfio_pci
that expect to be able to manage device with PCI core services alone
[4].
* CXL vs Tooling / RAS:
* Error injection, tests, and usability have continued to improve. For
folks looking to deploy CXL in production what is cxl-cli missing?
* While CXL Error isolation has a hard time justifying its utility for
general purpose memory expansion, the accelerator use case at least
has a reasonable chance to construct a recoverable scenario.
[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-cxl/abwRu1FNqI3dVyqL@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F/
[2]: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-cxl/20260321150404.3288786-6-gourry@gourry.net/
[3]: http://lore.kernel.org/20260316051258.246-1-rakie.kim@sk.com
[4]: http://lore.kernel.org/20260401143917.108413-1-mhonap@nvidia.com
"CXL, making MM problems worse since 2021..." -- CXL subsystem tagline
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