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From: Boaz Harrosh <boazh@netapp.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@microsoft.com>,
	Amit Golander <Amit.Golander@netapp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Add new vma flag VM_LOCAL_CPU
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 14:41:41 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6999e635-e804-99d0-12fc-c13ff3e9ca58@netapp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180515111159.GA31599@bombadil.infradead.org>

On 15/05/18 14:11, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 01:43:23PM +0300, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
>> On 15/05/18 03:41, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:37:38PM +0300, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
>>>> On 14/05/18 22:15, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 08:28:01PM +0300, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
>>>>>> On a call to mmap an mmap provider (like an FS) can put
>>>>>> this flag on vma->vm_flags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The VM_LOCAL_CPU flag tells the Kernel that the vma will be used
>>>>>> from a single-core only, and therefore invalidation (flush_tlb) of
>>>>>> PTE(s) need not be a wide CPU scheduling.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still don't get this.  You're opening the kernel up to being exploited
>>>>> by any application which can persuade it to set this flag on a VMA.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No No this is not an application accessible flag this can only be set
>>>> by the mmap implementor at ->mmap() time (Say same as VM_VM_MIXEDMAP).
>>>>
>>>> Please see the zuf patches for usage (Again apologise for pushing before
>>>> a user)
>>>>
>>>> The mmap provider has all the facilities to know that this can not be
>>>> abused, not even by a trusted Server.
>>>
>>> I don't think page tables work the way you think they work.
>>>
>>> +               err = vm_insert_pfn_prot(zt->vma, zt_addr, pfn, prot);
>>>
>>> That doesn't just insert it into the local CPU's page table.  Any CPU
>>> which directly accesses or even prefetches that address will also get
>>> the translation into its cache.
>>
>> Yes I know, but that is exactly the point of this flag. I know that this
>> address is only ever accessed from a single core. Because it is an mmap (vma)
>> of an O_TMPFILE-exclusive file created in a core-pinned thread and I allow
>> only that thread any kind of access to this vma. Both the filehandle and the
>> mmaped pointer are kept on the thread stack and have no access from outside.
>>
>> So the all point of this flag is the kernel driver telling mm that this
>> address is enforced to only be accessed from one core-pinned thread.
> 
> You're still thinking about this from the wrong perspective.  If you
> were writing a program to attack this facility, how would you do it?
> It's not exactly hard to leak one pointer's worth of information.
> 

That would be very hard. Because that program would:
- need to be root
- need to start and pretend it is zus Server with the all mount
  thread thing, register new filesystem, grab some pmem devices.
- Mount the said filesystem on said pmem. Create core-pinned ZT threads
  for all CPUs, start accepting IO.
- And only then it can start leaking the pointer and do bad things.
  The bad things it can do to the application, not to the Kernel.
  And as a full filesystem it can do those bad things to the application
  through the front door directly not needing the mismatch tlb at all.

That said. It brings up a very important point that I wanted to talk about.
In this design the zuf(Kernel) and the zus(um Server) are part of the distribution.
I would like to have the zus module be signed by the distro's Kernel's key and
checked on loadtime. I know there is an effort by Redhat guys to try and sign all
/sbin/* servers and have Kernel check these. So this is not the first time people
have thought about that.

Thanks
Boaz

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-15 11:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-14 17:28 Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-14 18:26 ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15  7:08   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-15 10:45     ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-14 19:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-14 19:37   ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15  0:41     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 10:43       ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 11:11         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 11:41           ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2018-05-15 12:03             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 13:29               ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 13:50                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 14:10                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 14:18                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 14:30                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 12:09             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 12:31               ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 11:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 12:01           ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 12:07         ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-15 12:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 13:19           ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-18 14:14         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-05-22 16:05           ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-22 16:18             ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-22 16:46               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-05-22 16:56                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-22 17:03                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-22 17:35                   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-05-22 17:51                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-23 17:30                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-23 17:46                       ` Nadav Amit
2018-05-23 18:10             ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-14 21:49 ` Andrew Morton
2018-05-15  0:44   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 11:54     ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 13:24       ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 14:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 14:36         ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 14:19 ` Dave Hansen

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