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From: Joshua Ashton <joshua@froggi.es>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Drop INT_MAX limit from kvmalloc()
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 22:51:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <690cd8b8-5095-4560-a555-773a2068305e@froggi.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ikaf72w2oap3crjrybbd5jp267slnb7dygz4m62dfw3edu2ppj@f7dv2qdx3yga>



On 10/20/24 9:29 PM, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 01:19:42PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 at 13:10, Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev> wrote:
>>>
>>> And the INT_MAX check wouldn't catch truncation anyways - it'd only
>>> catch integer _underflow_, but allocation size calculations pretty much
>>> as a rule never use subtractions, so I don't think this check was ever
>>> worth much to begin with.
>>
>> It fixed a real security issue.
> 
> Which you quite conveniently aren't naming.
> 
>> Enough said, and you're just making shit up to make excuses.
>>
>> Also, you might want to start look at latency numbers in addition to
>> throughput. If your journal replay needs an *index* that is 2G in
>> size, you may have other issues.
> 
> Latency for journal replay?
> 
> No, journal replay is only something happens at mount after an unclean
> shutdown. We can afford to take some time there, and journal replay
> performance hasn't been a concern.

Then why are you arguing about there being an "artificial cap on 
performance", if you can "afford to take some time there"?

Am I missing something?

- Joshie 🐸✨

> 
>> Your journal size is insane, and your "artificial cap on performance"
>> had better come with numbers.
> 
> I'm not going to run custom benchmarks just for a silly argument, sorry.
> 
> But on a fileserver with 128 GB of ram and a 75 TB filesystem (yes,
> that's likely a dedicated fileserver), we can quite easily justify a
> btree node cache of perhaps 10GB, and on random update workloads the
> journal does need to be that big - otherwise our btree node write size
> goes down and throughput suffers.
> 
>> Why do you keep on being the person who creates all these pointless
>> arguments? Not just with me, btw.
> 
> That's only going to get the biggest eyeroll ever.
> 




  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-20 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-19 21:00 Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20 11:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-20 13:00   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20 16:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-20 17:03       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20 18:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-20 18:53           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20 19:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-20 19:09               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-20 19:16                 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-21 16:15                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-10-20 20:10                 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20 20:19                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-20 20:29                     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20 20:54                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-20 21:21                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-20 21:40                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-27 19:58                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20 21:29                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20 21:30                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-20 21:42                             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20 21:51                       ` Joshua Ashton [this message]
2024-10-20 21:57                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-21  8:46                       ` Janpieter Sollie
2024-10-21  9:22                         ` Janpieter Sollie
2024-10-20 19:10               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20 19:53             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-20 20:08               ` Kent Overstreet

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