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From: <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	<linuxarm@huawei.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>, <james.morse@arm.com>,
	<linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-mm@kvack.org>, <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Yicong Yang <yangyicong@huawei.com>,
	Yushan Wang <wangyushan12@huawei.com>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	<x86@kernel.org>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/8] Cache coherency management subsystem
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:36:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <68700824a2161_1d3d100f4@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250710105913.GB542000@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2025 at 10:32:16PM -0700, dan.j.williams@intel.com wrote:
> 
> > Theoretically there could be a threshold at which a CLFLUSHOPT loop is a
> > better option, but I would rather it be the case* that software CXL
> > cache management is stop-gap for early generation CXL platforms.
> 
> So isn't the problem that CLFLUSH and friends take a linear address
> rather than a physical address? I suppose we can use our 1:1 mapping in
> this case, is all of CXL in the 1:1 map?

Currently CXL on the unplug path does:

arch_remove_memory() /* drop direct map */
cxl_region_invalidate_memregion() /* wbinvd_on_all_cpus() */
cxl_region_decode_reset() /* physically unmap memory */

...and on the plug path:
cxl_region_decode_commit() /* physically map memory */.
cxl_region_invalidate_memregion() /* wbinvd_on_all_cpus() */
arch_add_memory() /* setup direct map */

Moving this to virtual address based flushing would need some callbacks
from the memory_hotplug code to run flushes for memory spaces that are
being physically reconfigured.

...unplug:

arch_remove_memory()
    clwb_on_all_cpus_before_unmap()
cxl_region_decode_reset()

...plug:

cxl_region_decode_commit()
arch_add_memory()
    clflushopt_on_all_cpus_before_use()

However, this raises a question in my mind. Should not all memory
hotplug drivers in the kernel be doing cache management when the
physical contents of a memory range may have changed behind a CPUs back?

Unless I am missing something it looks like the ACPI memory hotplug
driver, for example, has never considered that an unplug/replug event
may leave stale data in the CPU cache.

I note drm_clflush_pages() is existing infrastructure and perhaps CXL
should uplevel/unify on that common helper?


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-10 18:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-24 15:47 Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-24 15:47 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] memregion: Support fine grained invalidate by cpu_cache_invalidate_memregion() Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-09 19:46   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2025-07-09 22:31   ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-11 11:54     ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-24 15:47 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] generic: Support ARCH_HAS_CPU_CACHE_INVALIDATE_MEMREGION Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-24 16:16   ` Greg KH
2025-06-25 16:46   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-10  5:57   ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-10  6:01     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-07-11 11:53       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-11 11:52     ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-08-07 16:07       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-24 15:47 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] cache: coherency core registration and instance handling Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-24 15:48 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] MAINTAINERS: Add Jonathan Cameron to drivers/cache Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-24 15:48 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] arm64: Select GENERIC_CPU_CACHE_INVALIDATE_MEMREGION Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-25 16:21   ` kernel test robot
2025-06-28  7:10   ` kernel test robot
2025-06-24 15:48 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] cache: Support cache maintenance for HiSilicon SoC Hydra Home Agent Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-24 17:18   ` Randy Dunlap
2025-06-24 15:48 ` [RFC v2 7/8] acpi: PoC of Cache control via ACPI0019 and _DSM Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-24 15:48 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] Hack: Pretend we have PSCI 1.2 Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-25  8:52 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] Cache coherency management subsystem Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-25  9:12   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-06-25  9:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-25 17:03       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-06-26  9:55         ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-07-10  5:32           ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-10 10:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-10 18:36               ` dan.j.williams [this message]
2025-07-10  5:22       ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-10  5:31         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-07-10 10:56         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-10 18:45           ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-10 18:55             ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-07-10 19:11               ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-10 19:16                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-07-09 19:53     ` Davidlohr Bueso

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