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From: Jinjiang Tu <tujinjiang@huawei.com>
To: Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: <rientjes@google.com>, <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	<akpm@linux-foundation.org>, <david@redhat.com>, <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	<matthew.brost@intel.com>, <rakie.kim@sk.com>, <byungchul@sk.com>,
	<gourry@gourry.net>, <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	<apopple@nvidia.com>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/oom_kill: kill current in OOM when binding to cpu-less nodes
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 10:05:21 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <686cf134-7682-4871-a561-b8dba019f5ce@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250904144301.1224021-1-joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>

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在 2025/9/4 22:43, Joshua Hahn 写道:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 16:36:28 +0200 Michal Hocko<mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu 04-09-25 07:26:25, Joshua Hahn wrote:
>>> On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 21:44:31 +0800 Jinjiang Tu<tujinjiang@huawei.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Jinjiang,
>>>
>>> I hope you are doing well, thank you for this patchset!
>>>
>>>> out_of_memory() selects tasks without considering mempolicy. Assuming a
>>>> cpu-less NUMA Node, ordinary process that don't set mempolicy don't
>>>> allocate memory from this cpu-less Node, unless other NUMA Nodes are below
>>>> low watermark. If a task binds to this cpu-less Node and triggers OOM, many
>>>> tasks may be killed wrongly that don't occupy memory from this Node.
>>> I am wondeirng whether you have seen this happen in practice, or if this is
>>> just based on inspecting the code. I have a feeling that the case you are
>>> concerned about may already be covered in select_bad_process.
>>>
>>> out_of_memory(oc)
>>>      select_bad_process(oc)
>>>          oom_evaluate_task(p, oc)
>>> 	    oom_cpuset_eligible(task, oc)
>>> 	
>>> 	        [...snip...]
>>>
>>> 		for_each_thread(start, tsk) {
>>> 		    if (mask) {
>>> 		        ret = mempolicy_in_oom_domain(tsk, mask);
>>> 		    } else {
>>> 		        ret = cpuset_mems_allowed_intersects(current, tsk)
>>> 		    }
>>> 		}
>>>
>>> While iterating through the list of candidate processes, we check whether
>>> oc->nodemask exists, and if not, we check if the nodemasks intersects. It seems
>>> like these are the two checks that you add in the helper function.
>>>
>>> With that said, I might be missing something obvious -- please feel to
>>> correct me if I am misunderstanding your patch or if I'm missing something
>>> in the existing oom target selection : -)
>> The thing with mempolicy_in_oom_domain is that it doesn't really do what
>> you might be thinking it is doing ;) as it will true also for tasks
>> without any NUMA affinity because those intersect with the given mask by
>> definition as they can allocate from any node. So they are eligible and
>> that is what Jinjiang Tu is considered about I believe.
> Hello Michal! Thank you for your insights : -)
>
> Looking back, I made the mistake of thinking that we cared about the
> !oc->nodemask case, where Jinjiang's patch cares about the oc->nodemask == True
> case. So I was checking that cpuset_mems_allowed_intersects was the same as
> nodes_intersects, whereas I should have been checking if mempolicy_in_oom_domain
> is correct.

Most tasks don't mbind to specific nodes. In our use case, as described in the reply
to Michal, ordinary tasks are unlikely to allocate from these cpu-less NUMA Nodes.

>
> Looking into it, everything you said is correct and I think I defintely
> overlooked what the patch was trying to do. Thank you for clarifying these
> points for me!
>
> I hope you have a great day,
> Joshua
>
>> -- 
>> Michal Hocko
>> SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-05  2:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-04 13:44 Jinjiang Tu
2025-09-04 14:25 ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-05  1:56   ` Jinjiang Tu
2025-09-05  8:08     ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-05  8:18       ` Jinjiang Tu
2025-09-05  9:10         ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-05  9:25           ` Jinjiang Tu
2025-09-05  9:42             ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-06  1:56               ` Jinjiang Tu
2025-09-08  7:46                 ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-08  8:16                   ` Jinjiang Tu
2025-09-08  9:11                     ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-08 11:07                       ` Jinjiang Tu
2025-09-08 11:13                       ` Jinjiang Tu
2025-09-08 11:26                         ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-05  9:13   ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-04 14:26 ` Joshua Hahn
2025-09-04 14:36   ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-04 14:43     ` Joshua Hahn
2025-09-05  2:05       ` Jinjiang Tu [this message]
2025-09-08 17:50 ` Gregory Price

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