From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Wei Huang via Lsf-pc <lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Cc: <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Don Dutile <ddutile@redhat.com>,
Joel Savitz <jsavitz@redhat.com>,
"Moyes, William" <William.Moyes@amd.com>,
"Iyer, Shyam" <Shyam.Iyer@dell.com>,
"Lynch, Nathan" <Nathan.Lynch@amd.com>, <mel.gorman@gmail.com>,
<santosh.shukla@amd.com>,
"Suthikulpanit, Suravee" <Suravee.Suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
<shivankg@amd.com>, <Michael.Day@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Enabling Smart Data Stream Accelerator Support for Linux
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:19:26 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <67a1954e28272_2d2c2943d@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f3212aef-ebc4-4447-9cae-7bc9b528334e@amd.com>
Wei Huang via Lsf-pc wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I want to proposal a talk for the LSFMMBPF conference: Enabling Smart
> Data Stream Accelerator (SDXI) Support for Linux.
>
> The smart data stream accelerator (SDXI) is an industry standard [1]
> that provides various advanced capabilities, such as offloading DMA
> operations, supporting user-space addresses, and offering other advanced
> data processing features. With the integration of SDXI into a SoC, DMA
> offloading can now be supported across different address spaces. This
> talk focuses on a software design which enables comprehensive SDXI
> support across multiple software layers in the Linux Kernel. These
> interfaces not only facilitate SDXI hardware management but also allow
> kernel space subsystems and user space applications to directly own and
> control SDXI hardware under the protection of IOMMU.
>
> To illustrate the practical applications of SDXI, Red Hat and AMD
> developed a user-space library that leverages the SDXI driver interface,
> demonstrating various use cases, such as memory operation offloading, in
> both bare-metal and virtual environments.
>
> The prototype device driver [2] and user-space library are available for
> testing. We continue to work on the improvement of both components and
> plan to upstream the device driver soon.
>
> == DISCUSSION ==
> At this conference, we plan to discuss with the community on:
>
> 1) Use Cases
> * Linux DMA engine
Is this a use case?
In other words copy-offload engines have struggled for more than a
decard to impact kernel use cases due to the maintenance burden of split
async / synchronous paths for kernel-buffer-to-kernel-buffer copies. The
Linux dmaengine subsystem mainly stayed relevant due to device-DMA use
cases.
> * Kernel task offloading (e.g., bulk copying)
> * QoS and kernel perf integration
> * New use cases
I think for this effort to be successful it needs to focus on one
embarassingly clear use case where CPU copy hits a scaling wall, not a
gallery of potential use cases.
> 2) User-Space API Interface
> * IOCTL proposal
> * Security control
> * User-space app integration
The best API for copy-offload is no new API, i.e. transparent
acceleration of existing software. For example, io_uring is already
asking applications to rewrite and submit bulk work to the kernel. It
would be lovely if the applications got copy offload for free after
paying the io_uring conversion cost.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-04 4:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-31 17:53 Wei Huang
2025-02-03 10:13 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-02-03 14:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-04 0:59 ` Wei Huang
2025-02-04 0:52 ` Wei Huang
2025-02-04 4:19 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2025-02-04 7:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
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