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From: "Paul Menage" <menage@google.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"containers@lists.osdl.org" <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	"balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"xemul@openvz.org" <xemul@openvz.org>,
	"nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp" <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>,
	"yamamoto@valinux.co.jp" <yamamoto@valinux.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [RFD][PATCH] memcg: Move Usage at Task Move
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:04:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6599ad830806110104n99cdc7h80063e91d16bf0a5@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080611164544.94047336.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:45 AM, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
<kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
>> Is it really such a big deal if we don't transfer the page ownerships
>> to the new cgroup? As this thread has shown, it's a fairly painful
>> operation to support. It would be good to have some concrete examples
>> of cases where this is needed.
>>
> When we moves a process with XXXG bytes of memory, we need "move" obviously.

That's not a concrete example, it's an assertion :-)

>
> I think there is a case that system administrator decides to create _new_
> cgroup to isolate some swappy job for maintaining the system.
> (I never be able to say that never happens.)

OK, that seems like a reasonable case - i.e. when an existing cgroup
is deliberately split into two.

An alternative way to support that would be to do nothing at move
time, but provide a "pull_usage" control file that would slurp any
pages in any mm in the cgroup into the cgroup.
>> >
>> > One reasone is that I think a typical usage of memory controller is
>> > fork()->move->exec(). (by libcg ?) and exec() will flush the all usage.
>>
>> Exactly - this is a good reason *not* to implement move - because then
>> you drag all the usage of the middleware daemon into the new cgroup.
>>
> Yes but this is one of the usage of cgroup. In general, system admin can
> use this for limiting memory on his own decision.
>

Sorry, your last sentence doesn't make sense to me in this context.

If the common mode for middleware starting a new cgroup is fork() /
move / exec() then after the fork(), the child will be sharing pages
with the main daemon process. So the move will pull all the daemon's
memory into the new cgroup

> yes. but, at first, I'll try no-rollback approach.
> And can I move memory resource controller's subsys_id to the last for now ?
>

That's probably fine for experimentation, but it wouldn't be something
we'd want to commit to -mm or mainline.

Paul

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-11  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-06  1:52 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-10  5:50 ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2008-06-10  8:13   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-10 12:57     ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2008-06-11  2:02       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-11  3:45         ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2008-06-11  4:08           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-10  7:35 ` Daisuke Nishimura
2008-06-10  8:26   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-11  3:03     ` Daisuke Nishimura
2008-06-11  3:25       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-11  3:44         ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2008-06-11  4:14           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-11  4:29             ` Daisuke Nishimura
2008-06-11  4:40               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-12  5:20             ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2008-06-12  6:51               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-11  7:17 ` Paul Menage
2008-06-11  7:45   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-11  8:04     ` Paul Menage [this message]
2008-06-11  8:27       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-11  8:48         ` Paul Menage
2008-06-12  5:08           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-12 13:17             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-06-12 13:34             ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-06-12 21:08               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-06-13  0:34                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-13  0:41                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-06-11  8:27   ` Balbir Singh
2008-06-11 12:21     ` Daisuke Nishimura
2008-06-11 12:51     ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-06-11 13:13       ` Balbir Singh

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