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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Stat-Signature: 7yikau48jbrzz9kfxw714mgbdkqkprmm X-Rspam-User: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam08 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D0B1A80012 X-HE-Tag: 1770304159-128470 X-HE-Meta: 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 cjDeK4HY xZo81fLyIl+0KHvYNJQ0iuGcYTyL82wL+knwWWBvlAMz6Yd6lYThceCKSZRSCWvkoYULcxP/ueCGIftOY4ZH1hNXgj16mq7eoqr6BhLzmC92chJ3NtplhrgDDHESByw5o6e+7vlxNi5rfHTSSAkD1zsQrt4rwZAjaQBzWnFOFSW/qZTt0cPuoAcGojgAFpttz7n7S3tRZxY8uaeo= X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 2/5/26 07:01, Lance Yang wrote: > So for now, neither approach looks good: tracking on the read side adss > cost to GUP-fast, and syncing on the write side e.g. synchronize_rcu() > is too slow on large systems. Which of the writers truly *need* synchronize_rcu()? What are they doing with the memory that they can't move forward unless it's quiescent *now*?