From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/5] mm/mseal: update madvise() logic
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2025 12:10:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <649565be-eab2-4783-9595-b4263ac50310@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d055173e-233c-4513-ab40-d7a10a0b81c9@lucifer.local>
>>> So - we explicitly disallow FOLL_FORCE write override for CoW file-backed
>>> mappings.
>>>
>>> Obviously if FOLL_FORCE is not set, then we're ALSO not allowed to get past a
>>> FOLL_WRITE and !VM_WRITE situation.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm maybe I'll soften on this anon_vma idea then. Maybe it is a 'cheap fix' to
>>>>> rule out the _usual_ cases.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, something to evaluate.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking more and more we're probably actually safe with !vma->anon_vma ||
>>> !(vma->vm_flags & VM_MAYWRITE).
>>
>> I think there are possible races, the question is how much you care about
>> them.
>
> Yes I was just wrong. Please just disregard.
>
> I mean racing with MADV_POPULATE_WRITE seems a niche thing to worry about, and
> so what if you did, it's writing a... copy of the underlying file-backed folios
> no?
MADV_POPULATE_WRITE does not apply. It's only racing with FOLL_FORCE,
like debugger access.
Again, a race one probably shouldn't worry about in the context of mseal.
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-25 10:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-16 17:38 [PATCH v3 0/5] mseal cleanups, fixup MAP_PRIVATE file-backed case Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] mm/mseal: always define VM_SEALED Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:34 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 18:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] mm/mseal: update madvise() logic Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:39 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 18:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 22:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 19:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 21:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 6:17 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 16:22 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 21:15 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-24 21:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 21:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 22:29 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-24 22:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 7:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 5:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 16:21 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 22:12 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 7:01 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 7:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 8:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 9:46 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 10:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 10:10 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-07-25 10:17 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] mm/mseal: small cleanups Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:40 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] mm/mseal: Simplify and rename VMA gap check Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:40 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-25 5:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] mm/mseal: rework mseal apply logic Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:41 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 18:32 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] mseal cleanups, fixup MAP_PRIVATE file-backed case Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 19:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 6:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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