From: "Martin J. Bligh" <Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com>
To: Scott Kaplan <sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu>, Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] start_aggressive_readahead
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:21:57 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <644994853.1028020916@[10.10.2.3]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F245ABF4-A3D6-11D6-9922-000393829FA4@cs.amherst.edu>
>> Ah, but if we're not getting hits in the readahead window
>> then we're getting misses. And misses shrink the window.
>
> Yes, and that's the wrong thing to do. If you are getting hits,
> you should try *skrinking* the window to see if there is a
> reduction in hits. If there is no reduction, you can capture
> just as many hits with a smaller window -- the extra space was
> superfluous. If you're getting misses, you should try to *grow*
> the window (to commit an awful case of verbing) in an attempt to
> turn such misses into hits. If growing the window doesn't decrease
> the misses, then you may need too large of an increase to cache
> those pages successfully. If growing the window does decrease
> the misses, then keep growing until you don't see a decrease.
Would it not be easier to actually calculate (statistically) the
read-ahead window, rather than actually tweaking it empirically?
If we're getting misses, there could be at least two causes -
1. We're doing random, not sequential IO. Shrinking the window
would be most sensible.
2. We're reading ahead really fast, or skip-reading ahead.
Growing the window would probably be most sensible.
Thus I'd contend that either growing or shrinking in straight
response to just a hit/miss rate is not correct. We need to actually
look at the access pattern of the application, surely? Perhaps I'm
being naive, but I would have thought it would be possible
to calculate what the hit/miss rate with a given readahead window
would be without actually going to the pain of shrinking it up
and down.
M.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-07-30 16:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-07-25 16:10 Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-25 16:44 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-25 19:40 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-26 16:50 ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-26 19:38 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-28 23:32 ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-29 0:19 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-29 2:12 ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-29 3:05 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-29 15:24 ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-29 7:34 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-29 7:37 ` Vladimir Dergachev
2002-07-29 7:53 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-29 8:04 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-30 16:11 ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-30 16:21 ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2002-07-30 16:38 ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-30 16:52 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-08-05 18:54 ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-30 17:13 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-26 20:14 ` Stephen Lord
2002-07-26 20:29 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-26 6:53 ` Daniel Phillips
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