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From: "Martin J. Bligh" <Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com>
To: Scott Kaplan <sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu>, Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] start_aggressive_readahead
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:21:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <644994853.1028020916@[10.10.2.3]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F245ABF4-A3D6-11D6-9922-000393829FA4@cs.amherst.edu>

 
>> Ah, but if we're not getting hits in the readahead window
>> then we're getting misses.  And misses shrink the window.
> 
> Yes, and that's the wrong thing to do.  If you are getting hits, 
> you should try *skrinking* the window to see if there is a 
> reduction in hits.  If there is no reduction, you can capture 
> just as many hits with a smaller window -- the extra space was
> superfluous.  If you're getting misses, you should try to *grow* 
> the window (to commit an awful case of verbing) in an attempt to 
> turn such misses into hits.  If growing the window doesn't decrease 
> the misses, then you may need too large of an increase to cache 
> those pages successfully.  If growing the window does decrease 
> the misses, then keep growing until you don't see a decrease.

Would it not be easier to actually calculate (statistically) the 
read-ahead window, rather than actually tweaking it empirically?
If we're getting misses, there could be at least two causes - 

1. We're doing random, not sequential IO. Shrinking the window
would be most sensible.

2. We're reading ahead really fast, or skip-reading ahead. 
Growing the window would probably be most sensible.

Thus I'd contend that either growing or shrinking in straight 
response to just a hit/miss rate is not correct. We need to actually 
look at the access pattern of the application, surely? Perhaps I'm 
being naive, but I would have thought it would be possible
to calculate what the hit/miss rate with a given readahead window
would be without actually going to the pain of shrinking it up
and down.

M.

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-30 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-25 16:10 Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-25 16:44 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-25 19:40   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-26 16:50     ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-26 19:38       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-28 23:32         ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-29  0:19           ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-29  2:12             ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-29  3:05               ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-29 15:24                 ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-29  7:34           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-29  7:37             ` Vladimir Dergachev
2002-07-29  7:53               ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-29  8:04             ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-30 16:11             ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-30 16:21               ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2002-07-30 16:38                 ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-30 16:52                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-08-05 18:54                     ` Scott Kaplan
2002-07-30 17:13                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-26 20:14     ` Stephen Lord
2002-07-26 20:29       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-26  6:53 ` Daniel Phillips

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