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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Cc: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	willy@infradead.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: MSG_ZEROCOPY and the O_DIRECT vs fork() race
Date: Fri, 2 May 2025 15:48:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <63d93fc8-874f-4620-8df3-160cb24edc0c@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1021352.1746193306@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

On 02.05.25 15:41, David Howells wrote:
> Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch> wrote:
> 
>>> I'm looking into making the sendmsg() code properly handle the 'DIO vs
>>> fork' issue (where pages need pinning rather than refs taken) and also
>>> getting rid of the taking of refs entirely as the page refcount is going
>>> to go away in the relatively near future.
>>
>> Sorry, new to this conversation, and i don't know what you mean by DIO
>> vs fork.
> 
> As I understand it, there's a race between O_DIRECT I/O and fork whereby if
> you, say, start a DIO read operation on a page and then fork, the target page
> gets attached to child and a copy made for the parent (because the refcount is
> elevated by the I/O) - and so only the child sees the result.  This is made
> more interesting by such as AIO where the parent gets the completion
> notification, but not the data.
> 
> Further, a DIO write is then alterable by the child if the DMA has not yet
> happened.
> 
> One of the things mm/gup.c does is to work around this issue...  However, I
> don't think that MSG_ZEROCOPY handles this - and so zerocopy sendmsg is, I
> think, subject to the same race.

If it's using FOLL_PIN it works. If not, it's still to be fixed.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-02 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <0aa1b4a2-47b2-40a4-ae14-ce2dd457a1f7@lunn.ch>
     [not found] ` <1015189.1746187621@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
2025-05-02 13:41   ` David Howells
2025-05-02 13:48     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-05-02 14:21     ` Andrew Lunn
2025-05-02 16:21     ` Reorganising how the networking layer handles memory David Howells
2025-05-05 20:14       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-05-06 13:50       ` David Howells
2025-05-06 13:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-05-06 18:20         ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-05-07 13:45         ` David Howells
2025-05-07 17:47           ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-05-07 13:49         ` David Howells
2025-05-12 14:51     ` AF_UNIX/zerocopy/pipe/vmsplice/splice vs FOLL_PIN David Howells
2025-05-12 21:59       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-23 11:50       ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-23 13:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-23 14:16       ` David Howells
2025-06-23 10:50     ` How to handle P2P DMA with only {physaddr,len} in bio_vec? David Howells
2025-06-23 13:46       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-23 23:38         ` Alistair Popple
2025-06-24  9:02       ` David Howells
2025-06-24 12:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 12:39         ` Christoph Hellwig

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