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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org, ardb@kernel.org,
	hughd@google.com, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org,
	surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Per-process page size
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2026 17:50:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5f61a5fd-ab38-4635-aab8-5de515c4015a@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aZfn0tbKl_1JD-VM@casper.infradead.org>

On 2/20/26 05:49, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 04:30:59PM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>> In a private conversation I also raised that some situations might make it
>> impossible/hard to drop+re-read.
>>
>> One example I cam up with if a folio is simply long-term R/O pinned. But I
>> am also not quite sure how mlock might interfere here.
>>
>> So yes, I think the page cache is likely the one of the most
>> problematic/messy thing to handle.
> 
> So what if we convert to max-supported-order the first time somebody
> calls mmap on a given file?  Most files are never mmaped, so it won't
> affect them. 

Yes!

> And files that are mmaped are generally not written to.

Well, let's say many mmaped files are not written to. :)

> So there should not be much in the page cache for the common case.

You'd assume many files to either get mmaped or read/written, yes.

> And if no pages from the file have been mmaped yet, they cannot be pinned
> or mlocked.

Is there some other way for someone to block a page from getting evicted 
from the pagecache?

We have this memfd_pin_folios() thing, but I don't think we have 
something comparable for ordinary pagecache files.

... putting them into a pipe and never reading from the pipe maybe (I 
assume that's what splice() does, but not sure if it actually places the 
pages in there or whether it creates a copy first)?

But yes, doing the conversion on first mmap() should handle mlock+gup.

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-20 16:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-17 14:50 Dev Jain
2026-02-17 15:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-17 15:30   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-17 15:51     ` Ryan Roberts
2026-02-20  4:49     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-20 16:50       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-02-18  8:39   ` Dev Jain
2026-02-18  8:58     ` Dev Jain
2026-02-18  9:15       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-20  9:49   ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-02-20 13:37 ` Pedro Falcato

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