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Instead, before memory block can be set online, it has to be >>> configured via a new interface in /sys/firmware/memory/memoryX/config, >>> which makes s390 similar to others. i.e. Adding of hotpluggable memory is >>> controlled by the user instead of adding it at boottime. >> >> Before I dig into the details, will onlining/offling still trigger >> hypervisor action, or does that now really happen when memory is >> added/removed? >> >> That would be really nice, because it would remove the whole need for >> "standby" memory, and having to treat hotplugged memory differently under >> LPAR/z/VM than anywhere else (-> keep it offline). > > With this approach, hypervisor actions are triggered only when memory is > actually added or removed. > > Online and offline operations are common code memory hotplug actions and > the s390 memory notifier actions are none/minimal. Very nice. > >>> s390 kernel sysfs interface to configure/deconfigure memory with >>> memmap_on_memory (with upcoming lsmem changes): >>> * Initial memory layout: >>> lsmem -o RANGE,SIZE,STATE,BLOCK,CONFIGURED,MEMMAP_ON_MEMORY >>> RANGE SIZE STATE BLOCK CONFIGURED MEMMAP_ON_MEMORY >>> 0x00000000-0x7fffffff 2G online 0-15 yes no >>> 0x80000000-0xffffffff 2G offline 16-31 no yes >> >> Could we instead modify "STATE" to reflect that it is "not added" / "not >> configured" / "disabled" etc? >> >> Like >> >> lsmem -o RANGE,SIZE,STATE,BLOCK,MEMMAP_ON_MEMORY >> RANGE SIZE STATE BLOCK >> 0x00000000-0x7fffffff 2G online 0-15 >> 0x80000000-0xffffffff 2G disabled 16-31 >> >> Or is that an attempt to maintain backwards compatibility? > > Mostly. Also, similar to lscpu output, where CPU status shows > CONFIGURED/STATE column. Care to share an example output? I only have a s390x VM with 2 CPUs and no way to configure/deconfigure. > > Also, older scripts to get list of offline memory typically use: > lsmem | grep offline > > and > > chmem -e would work as usual, where specifies amount of > memory to set online. > > chmem changes would look like: > chmem -c 128M -m 1 : configure memory with memmap-on-memory enabled > chmem -g 128M : deconfigure memory I wonder if the above two are really required. I would expect most/all users to simply keep using -e / -d. Sure, there might be some corner cases, but I would assume most people to not want to care about memmap-on-memory with the new model. > chmem -e 128M : optionally configure (if supported by architecture) and > always online memory > chmem -d 128M : offline and optionally deconfigure memory (if supported > by architecture) -- Cheers David / dhildenb