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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Server: rspam10 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CF2E2C000C X-Stat-Signature: 8u9ahisoc63ec3a74cs64agzm74oue5s X-Rspam-User: X-HE-Tag: 1771233897-303934 X-HE-Meta: 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 lxTtlrVp Jka3NZNGO34U/uYxhZVw+0u5zht+ysVvaraaqAOw+kcKjo/+NMcZ1yrtRxfl2W0qoei/xfCemG0DoP9/WiVQNqYt3TEfFmSIZ+KdQLIbXssEu2pAT9qhEwqwVtrbyRJQkUw/ShEInAPgshrNwk8oEcAzRXfFiaB5XZwwg8LvXb4ltyT/+iWXV4/qLjEgDUdtrMyxg+0767cCdF1HXrWiSBCIUsnNWfKmW9DRYnt1rrwdh7p89ZRavel8+5bK3im0RUDtOY27nhZQ4SQgAkWlx2wIZ///io40n0lSl X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 2/14/26 07:35, Lance Yang wrote: > > > On 2026/2/12 17:10, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: >> On 2/12/26 10:05, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote: >>> [..] >>> >>> Interesting, so 1dfb059b9438633 and 878aee7d6b5504e fixed real >>> problems "khugepaged can sometimes cause suspend to fail", but >>> I don't see what exactly b39ca208403c8f2 fixed.  Sounds more >>> like an "optimization"? >> >> Yes, a cleanup. I wonder if it caused harm. >> >>> >>> >>> I only have bug reports at hands, I don't have a repro.  Can the fact >>> that swap reads require S/W decompression (zram) add enough latency? >> >> I guess so. 20 seconds is still a lot. >> >>> >>> >>> Let me check. >>> >>> cat /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/pages_to_scan >>> 4096 >>> >>> Hmm, doesn't sound too high.  Let me look more. >> >> Yeah, that's not a lot of pages to scan. It's the default (8 * >> HPAGE_PMD_NR) > > Right. 4096 pages is not much to scan :) > > This patch lets khugepaged be frozen between VMAs. > > But if khugepaged is already collapsing when freeze starts, there > are two places without freeze checks that could take a bit long: > > - __collapse_huge_page_swapin() loops 512 pages, calls do_swap_page() >   for each swap entry. > > - collapse_file() loops 512 pages, calls shmem_get_folio(). If pages >   are swapped out, shmem_swapin_folio() is called. > > Each swap-in can block for I/O. With multiple pages swapped out, the > cumulative time adds up. But 20 seconds to swap in 4096 pages (16 MiB)? Okay, on arm64 with 64k it would be a lot more (8 * 512 MiB == 4 GiB). With With 16k we're at 8 * 32MiB = 256 MiB. > > Maybe we also need check points inside these loops to bail out early? I'd only do that if we have evidence that it's actually helpful. @Sergey, with which base page size are you running (4k vs. 16k vs 64k)? I assume your report is on aarch64, correct? -- Cheers, David