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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2] mm: khugepaged: make scan loops suspend aware
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2026 10:24:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5dc7d3a2-a358-481d-9352-d8356d3343c2@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56345542-544a-48e4-b127-49a850deee9b@linux.dev>

On 2/14/26 07:35, Lance Yang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2026/2/12 17:10, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>> On 2/12/26 10:05, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
>>> [..]
>>>
>>> Interesting, so 1dfb059b9438633 and 878aee7d6b5504e fixed real
>>> problems "khugepaged can sometimes cause suspend to fail", but
>>> I don't see what exactly b39ca208403c8f2 fixed.  Sounds more
>>> like an "optimization"?
>>
>> Yes, a cleanup. I wonder if it caused harm.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I only have bug reports at hands, I don't have a repro.  Can the fact
>>> that swap reads require S/W decompression (zram) add enough latency?
>>
>> I guess so. 20 seconds is still a lot.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let me check.
>>>
>>> cat /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/pages_to_scan
>>> 4096
>>>
>>> Hmm, doesn't sound too high.  Let me look more.
>>
>> Yeah, that's not a lot of pages to scan. It's the default (8 * 
>> HPAGE_PMD_NR)
> 
> Right. 4096 pages is not much to scan :)
> 
> This patch lets khugepaged be frozen between VMAs.
> 
> But if khugepaged is already collapsing when freeze starts, there
> are two places without freeze checks that could take a bit long:
> 
> - __collapse_huge_page_swapin() loops 512 pages, calls do_swap_page()
>    for each swap entry.
> 
> - collapse_file() loops 512 pages, calls shmem_get_folio(). If pages
>    are swapped out, shmem_swapin_folio() is called.
> 
> Each swap-in can block for I/O. With multiple pages swapped out, the
> cumulative time adds up.

But 20 seconds to swap in 4096 pages (16 MiB)?

Okay, on arm64 with 64k it would be a lot more (8 * 512 MiB == 4 GiB).
With With 16k we're at 8 * 32MiB = 256 MiB.

> 
> Maybe we also need check points inside these loops to bail out early?

I'd only do that if we have evidence that it's actually helpful.

@Sergey, with which base page size are you running (4k vs. 16k vs 64k)? 
I assume your report is on aarch64, correct?

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-16  9:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-11  3:15 Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-02-11  6:15 ` Nico Pache
2026-02-12  1:51   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-02-11  9:50 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-12  1:50   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-02-12  8:30     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-12  8:42       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-02-12  6:32   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-02-12  8:44     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-12  9:05       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-02-12  9:10         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-12  9:24           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-02-14  6:35           ` Lance Yang
2026-02-16  9:24             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-02-16  9:50               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-02-16 10:05                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky

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