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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Cc: Juan Yescas <jyescas@google.com>,
	akash.tyagi@mediatek.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	matthias.bgg@gmail.com, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	wsd_upstream@mediatek.com, Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@google.com>,
	"T.J. Mercier" <tjmercier@google.com>,
	Isaac Manjarres <isaacmanjarres@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm/page_alloc: Add PCP list for THP CMA
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2025 21:10:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5bf65002-8d2f-4b9b-8f22-3ba69124335c@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8A3D2D44-DCE9-48FC-A684-C43006B3912F@nvidia.com>

On 04.08.25 21:00, Zi Yan wrote:
> On 4 Aug 2025, at 14:49, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> 
>> On 04.08.25 20:20, Juan Yescas wrote:
>>> Hi David/Zi,
>>>
>>> Is there any reason why the MIGRATE_CMA pages are not in the PCP lists?
>>>
>>> There are many devices that need fast allocation of MIGRATE_CMA pages,
>>> and they have to get them from the buddy allocator, which is a bit
>>> slower in comparison to the PCP lists.
>>>
>>> We also have cases where the MIGRATE_CMA memory requirements are big.
>>> For example, GPUs need MIGRATE_CMA memory in the ranges of 30MiB to 500MiBs.
>>> These cases would benefit if we have THPs for CMAs.
>>>
>>> Could we add the support for MIGRATE_CMA pages on the PCP and THP lists?
>>
>> Remember how CMA memory is used:
>>
>> The owner allocates it through cma_alloc() and friends, where the CMA allocator will try allocating *specific physical memory regions* using alloc_contig_range(). It doesn't just go ahead and pick a random CMA page from the buddy (or PCP) lists. Doesn't work (just imagine having different CMA areas etc).
> 
> Yeah, unless some code is relying on gfp_to_alloc_flags_cma() to get ALLOC_CMA
> to try to get CMA pages from buddy.

Right, but that's just for internal purposes IIUC, to grab pages from 
the CMA lists when serving movable allocations.

> 
>>
>> Anybody else is free to use CMA pages for MOVABLE allocations. So we treat them as being MOVABLE on the PCP.
>>
>> Having a separate CMA PCP list doesn't solve or speedup anything, really.
> 
> It can be slower when small CMA pages are on PCP lists and large CMA pages
> cannot be allocated, one needs to drain PCP lists. This assumes the code is
> trying to get CMA pages from buddy, which is not how CMA memory is designed
> to be used like David mentioned above.

Right. And alloc_contig_range_noprof() already does a 
drain_all_pages(cc.zone).

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-04 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-04 18:20 Juan Yescas
2025-08-04 18:49 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-04 19:00   ` Zi Yan
2025-08-04 19:10     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-08-05  1:24     ` Juan Yescas
2025-08-05  1:22   ` Juan Yescas
2025-08-05  9:54     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-05 16:46       ` Juan Yescas
2025-08-05 17:12       ` Juan Yescas
2025-08-05 21:09         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-06 21:54           ` Juan Yescas
2025-08-05  9:58     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-05 16:57       ` Juan Yescas
2025-08-05 21:08         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-06 21:44           ` Juan Yescas
2025-08-06 21:51           ` Juan Yescas
2025-09-09 20:07           ` Juan Yescas
2025-09-09 20:11           ` Juan Yescas
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-07-24  7:53 akash.tyagi
2025-07-24  9:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25  5:08   ` akash.tyagi
2025-07-25  7:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 14:27       ` Zi Yan
2025-07-29 12:30         ` akash.tyagi
2025-07-29 12:42           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-29 12:50           ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-04 18:31   ` Juan Yescas

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