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Subject: Re: [PATCHv9 04/16] x86/cpu: Defer CR pinning setup until core initcall
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2025 23:55:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5BC99441-D69E-4B23-9485-6802F8ED8A42@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202508021149.B4BFF8D1@keescook>

On August 2, 2025 11:51:28 AM PDT, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org> wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 05:01:37PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> On 7/31/25 16:45, Sohil Mehta wrote:
>> > On 7/9/2025 10:00 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> >> On 7/7/25 01:03, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
>> >>> Instead of moving setup_cr_pinning() below efi_enter_virtual_mode() in
>> >>> arch_cpu_finalize_init(), defer it until core initcall.
>> >> What are the side effects of this move? Are there other benefits? What
>> >> are the risks?
>> >>
>> > Picking this up from Kirill.. Reevaluating this, core_initcall() seems
>> > too late for setup_cr_pinning().
>> > 
>> > We need to have CR pinning completed, and the associated static key
>> > enabled before AP bring up. start_secondary()->cr4_init() depends on the
>> > cr_pinning static key to initialize CR4 for APs.
>> 
>> Sure, if you leave cr4_init() completely as-is.
>> 
>> 'cr4_pinned_bits' should be set by the boot CPU. Secondary CPUs should
>> also read 'cr4_pinned_bits' when setting up their own cr4's,
>> unconditionally, independent of 'cr_pinning'.
>> 
>> The thing I think we should change is the pinning _enforcement_. The
>> easiest way to do that is to remove the static_branch_likely() in
>> cr4_init() and then delay flipping the static branch until just before
>> userspace starts.
>
>Yeah, this is fine from my perspective. The goal with the pinning was
>about keeping things safe in the face of an attack from userspace that
>managed to get at MSR values and keeping them from being trivially
>changed.
>

I have mentioned this before: I would like to see CR4-pinning use a patchable immediate to make it harder to manipulate. If the mask is final when alternatives are run, that would be a good time to install it; the code can just contain a zero immediate (no pinning) or a very limited set of bits that must never be changed at all up to that point.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-04  6:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20250707080317.3791624-1-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
     [not found] ` <20250707080317.3791624-5-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
2025-07-09  1:19   ` Sohil Mehta
2025-07-09  9:38     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-07-09 17:00   ` Dave Hansen
2025-07-31 23:45     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-08-01  0:01       ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-01  4:43         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-08-01 14:22           ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-02 18:51         ` Kees Cook
2025-08-04  6:55           ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
     [not found] ` <20250707080317.3791624-6-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
2025-07-09  1:27   ` [PATCHv9 05/16] efi: Disable LASS around set_virtual_address_map() EFI call Sohil Mehta
     [not found] ` <20250707080317.3791624-12-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
2025-07-09  2:40   ` [PATCHv9 11/16] x86/traps: Communicate a LASS violation in #GP message Sohil Mehta
2025-07-09  9:31     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-07-09  9:36       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-07-09  9:51         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
     [not found] ` <20250707080317.3791624-13-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
2025-07-09  4:59   ` [PATCHv9 12/16] x86/traps: Generalize #GP address decode and hint code Sohil Mehta
     [not found] ` <20250707080317.3791624-14-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
2025-07-09  5:12   ` [PATCHv9 13/16] x86/traps: Handle LASS thrown #SS Sohil Mehta
2025-07-09 10:38     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-07-11  1:22       ` Sohil Mehta
2025-07-11  1:23   ` Sohil Mehta
     [not found] ` <20250707080317.3791624-17-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
2025-07-09  5:31   ` [PATCHv9 16/16] x86: Re-enable Linear Address Masking Sohil Mehta
2025-07-09 11:00     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-07-11  0:42       ` Sohil Mehta
     [not found] ` <20250707080317.3791624-3-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
2025-07-09  1:08   ` [PATCHv9 02/16] x86/alternatives: Disable LASS when patching kernel alternatives Sohil Mehta
2025-07-09  9:35     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-07-09 16:58   ` Dave Hansen
2025-07-25  2:35     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-07-28 19:11   ` David Laight
2025-07-28 19:28     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-07-28 19:38       ` David Laight
2025-08-01  0:15         ` Sohil Mehta

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