From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: "Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 05/10] mm/huge_memory: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from file_thp_enabled()
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2026 11:43:57 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <59A91369-9BCB-4545-AEF8-083B52998CC3@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <14af57ba-09bc-40ff-812a-b41dfb78a03c@lucifer.local>
On 27 Mar 2026, at 11:29, Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2026 at 11:12:46AM -0400, Zi Yan wrote:
>> On 27 Mar 2026, at 8:42, Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2026 at 09:42:50PM -0400, Zi Yan wrote:
>>>> Replace it with a check on the max folio order of the file's address space
>>>> mapping, making sure PMD_ORDER is supported.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
>>>> ---
>>>> mm/huge_memory.c | 6 +++---
>>>> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/mm/huge_memory.c b/mm/huge_memory.c
>>>> index c7873dbdc470..1da1467328a3 100644
>>>> --- a/mm/huge_memory.c
>>>> +++ b/mm/huge_memory.c
>>>> @@ -89,9 +89,6 @@ static inline bool file_thp_enabled(struct vm_area_struct *vma)
>>>> {
>>>> struct inode *inode;
>>>>
>>>> - if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS))
>>>> - return false;
>>>> -
>>>> if (!vma->vm_file)
>>>> return false;
>>>>
>>>> @@ -100,6 +97,9 @@ static inline bool file_thp_enabled(struct vm_area_struct *vma)
>>>> if (IS_ANON_FILE(inode))
>>>> return false;
>>>>
>>>> + if (mapping_max_folio_order(inode->i_mapping) < PMD_ORDER)
>>>> + return false;
>>>> +
>>>
>>> At this point I think this should be a separate function quite honestly and
>>> share it with 2/10's use, and then you can put the comment in here re: anon
>>> shmem etc.
>>>
>>> Though that won't apply here of course as shmem_allowable_huge_orders() would
>>> have been invoked :)
>>>
>>> But no harm in refactoring it anyway, and the repetitive < PMD_ORDER stuff is
>>> unfortunate.
>>>
>>> Buuut having said that is this right actually?
>>>
>>> Because we have:
>>>
>>> if (((in_pf || smaps)) && vma->vm_ops->huge_fault)
>>> return orders;
>>>
>>> Above it, and now you're enabling huge folio file systems to do non-page fault
>>> THP and that's err... isn't that quite a big change?
>>
>> That is what READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS does, creating THPs after page faults, right?
>> This patchset changes the condition from all FSes to FSes with large folio
>> support.
>
> No, READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS operates differently.
>
> It explicitly _only_ is allowed for MADV_COLLAPSE and only if the file is
> mounted read-only.
>
> So due to:
>
> if (((in_pf || smaps)) && vma->vm_ops->huge_fault)
> return orders;
>
> if (((!in_pf || smaps)) && file_thp_enabled(vma))
> return orders;
>
> | PF | MADV_COLLAPSE | khugepaged |
> |-----------|---------------|------------|
> large folio fs | ✓ | x | x |
> READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS | x | ✓ | ✓ |
>
> After this change:
>
> | PF | MADV_COLLAPSE | khugepaged |
> |-----------|---------------|------------|
> large folio fs | ✓ | ✓ | ? |
>
> (I hope we're not enabling khugepaged for large folio fs - which shouldn't
> be necessary anyway as we try to give them folios on page fault and they
> use thp-friendly get_unused_area etc. :)
>
> We shouldn't be doing this.
>
> It should remain:
>
> | PF | MADV_COLLAPSE | khugepaged |
> |-----------|---------------|------------|
> large folio fs | ✓ | x | x |
>
> If we're going to remove it, we should first _just remove it_, not
> simultaneously increase the scope of what all the MADV_COLLAPSE code is
> doing without any confidence in any of it working properly.
>
> And it makes the whole series misleading - you're actually _enabling_ a
> feature not (only) _removing_ one.
That is what my RFC patch does, but David and willy told me to do this. :)
IIUC, with READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS, FSes with large folio support will
get THP via MADV_COLLAPSE or khugepaged. So removing the code like I
did in RFC would cause regressions.
I guess I need to rename the series to avoid confusion. How about?
Remove read-only THP support for FSes without large folio support.
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/7382046f-7c58-4a3e-ab34-b2704355b7d5@kernel.org/
>
> So let's focus as David suggested on one thing at a time, incrementally.
>
> And let's please try and sort some of this confusing mess out in the code
> if at all possible...
>
>>
>> Will add a helper, mapping_support_pmd_folio(), for
>> mapping_max_folio_order(inode->i_mapping) < PMD_ORDER.
>>
>>>
>>> So yeah probably no to this patch as is :) we should just drop
>>> file_thp_enabled()?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> return !inode_is_open_for_write(inode) && S_ISREG(inode->i_mode);
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 2.43.0
>>>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Yan, Zi
>
> Cheers, Lorenzo
Best Regards,
Yan, Zi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-27 15:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-27 1:42 [PATCH v1 00/10] Remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig Zi Yan
2026-03-27 1:42 ` [PATCH v1 01/10] mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig option Zi Yan
2026-03-27 11:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:33 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:39 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 1:42 ` [PATCH v1 02/10] mm/khugepaged: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS check Zi Yan
2026-03-27 7:29 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 7:35 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 9:44 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 12:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:45 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 14:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:26 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 14:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:00 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:22 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 16:30 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-28 2:29 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 12:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:46 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:37 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:43 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 1:42 ` [PATCH v1 03/10] mm: fs: remove filemap_nr_thps*() functions and their users Zi Yan
2026-03-27 9:32 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 12:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:58 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:05 ` Zi Yan
2026-04-01 14:35 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 15:32 ` Zi Yan
2026-04-01 19:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 20:33 ` Zi Yan
2026-04-02 14:35 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-02 14:38 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 1:42 ` [PATCH v1 04/10] fs: remove nr_thps from struct address_space Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:00 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-30 3:06 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 1:42 ` [PATCH v1 05/10] mm/huge_memory: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from file_thp_enabled() Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:12 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 15:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:43 ` Zi Yan [this message]
2026-03-27 16:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 16:12 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-29 4:07 ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 11:17 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-30 14:35 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-30 16:09 ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 16:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-01 14:38 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 14:53 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-27 1:42 ` [PATCH v1 06/10] mm/huge_memory: remove folio split check for READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:50 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-30 9:15 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 1:42 ` [PATCH v1 07/10] mm/truncate: use folio_split() in truncate_inode_partial_folio() Zi Yan
2026-03-27 3:33 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 13:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:35 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-28 9:54 ` kernel test robot
2026-03-28 9:54 ` kernel test robot
2026-03-27 1:42 ` [PATCH v1 08/10] fs/btrfs: remove a comment referring to READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 1:42 ` [PATCH v1 09/10] selftests/mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS in khugepaged Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 1:42 ` [PATCH v1 10/10] selftests/mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from comments in guard-regions Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:46 ` [PATCH v1 00/10] Remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:26 ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 14:27 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:30 ` Zi Yan
2026-04-05 17:38 ` Nico Pache
2026-04-06 1:59 ` Zi Yan
2026-04-06 16:17 ` Nico Pache
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