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From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: "Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
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	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
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	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 05/10] mm/huge_memory: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from file_thp_enabled()
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2026 11:43:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <59A91369-9BCB-4545-AEF8-083B52998CC3@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <14af57ba-09bc-40ff-812a-b41dfb78a03c@lucifer.local>

On 27 Mar 2026, at 11:29, Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 27, 2026 at 11:12:46AM -0400, Zi Yan wrote:
>> On 27 Mar 2026, at 8:42, Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2026 at 09:42:50PM -0400, Zi Yan wrote:
>>>> Replace it with a check on the max folio order of the file's address space
>>>> mapping, making sure PMD_ORDER is supported.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>  mm/huge_memory.c | 6 +++---
>>>>  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/mm/huge_memory.c b/mm/huge_memory.c
>>>> index c7873dbdc470..1da1467328a3 100644
>>>> --- a/mm/huge_memory.c
>>>> +++ b/mm/huge_memory.c
>>>> @@ -89,9 +89,6 @@ static inline bool file_thp_enabled(struct vm_area_struct *vma)
>>>>  {
>>>>  	struct inode *inode;
>>>>
>>>> -	if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS))
>>>> -		return false;
>>>> -
>>>>  	if (!vma->vm_file)
>>>>  		return false;
>>>>
>>>> @@ -100,6 +97,9 @@ static inline bool file_thp_enabled(struct vm_area_struct *vma)
>>>>  	if (IS_ANON_FILE(inode))
>>>>  		return false;
>>>>
>>>> +	if (mapping_max_folio_order(inode->i_mapping) < PMD_ORDER)
>>>> +		return false;
>>>> +
>>>
>>> At this point I think this should be a separate function quite honestly and
>>> share it with 2/10's use, and then you can put the comment in here re: anon
>>> shmem etc.
>>>
>>> Though that won't apply here of course as shmem_allowable_huge_orders() would
>>> have been invoked :)
>>>
>>> But no harm in refactoring it anyway, and the repetitive < PMD_ORDER stuff is
>>> unfortunate.
>>>
>>> Buuut having said that is this right actually?
>>>
>>> Because we have:
>>>
>>> 		if (((in_pf || smaps)) && vma->vm_ops->huge_fault)
>>> 			return orders;
>>>
>>> Above it, and now you're enabling huge folio file systems to do non-page fault
>>> THP and that's err... isn't that quite a big change?
>>
>> That is what READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS does, creating THPs after page faults, right?
>> This patchset changes the condition from all FSes to FSes with large folio
>> support.
>
> No, READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS operates differently.
>
> It explicitly _only_ is allowed for MADV_COLLAPSE and only if the file is
> mounted read-only.
>
> So due to:
>
> 		if (((in_pf || smaps)) && vma->vm_ops->huge_fault)
> 			return orders;
>
> 		if (((!in_pf || smaps)) && file_thp_enabled(vma))
> 			return orders;
>
>                       |    PF     | MADV_COLLAPSE | khugepaged |
> 		      |-----------|---------------|------------|
> large folio fs        |     ✓     |       x       |      x     |
> READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS  |     x     |       ✓       |      ✓     |
>
> After this change:
>
>                       |    PF     | MADV_COLLAPSE | khugepaged |
> 		      |-----------|---------------|------------|
> large folio fs        |     ✓     |       ✓       |      ?     |
>
> (I hope we're not enabling khugepaged for large folio fs - which shouldn't
> be necessary anyway as we try to give them folios on page fault and they
> use thp-friendly get_unused_area etc. :)
>
> We shouldn't be doing this.
>
> It should remain:
>
>                       |    PF     | MADV_COLLAPSE | khugepaged |
> 		      |-----------|---------------|------------|
> large folio fs        |     ✓     |       x       |      x     |
>
> If we're going to remove it, we should first _just remove it_, not
> simultaneously increase the scope of what all the MADV_COLLAPSE code is
> doing without any confidence in any of it working properly.
>
> And it makes the whole series misleading - you're actually _enabling_ a
> feature not (only) _removing_ one.

That is what my RFC patch does, but David and willy told me to do this. :)
IIUC, with READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS, FSes with large folio support will
get THP via MADV_COLLAPSE or khugepaged. So removing the code like I
did in RFC would cause regressions.

I guess I need to rename the series to avoid confusion. How about?

Remove read-only THP support for FSes without large folio support.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/7382046f-7c58-4a3e-ab34-b2704355b7d5@kernel.org/

>
> So let's focus as David suggested on one thing at a time, incrementally.
>
> And let's please try and sort some of this confusing mess out in the code
> if at all possible...
>
>>
>> Will add a helper, mapping_support_pmd_folio(), for
>> mapping_max_folio_order(inode->i_mapping) < PMD_ORDER.
>>
>>>
>>> So yeah probably no to this patch as is :) we should just drop
>>> file_thp_enabled()?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>  	return !inode_is_open_for_write(inode) && S_ISREG(inode->i_mode);
>>>>  }
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 2.43.0
>>>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Yan, Zi
>
> Cheers, Lorenzo


Best Regards,
Yan, Zi


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-27 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-27  1:42 [PATCH v1 00/10] Remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 01/10] mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig option Zi Yan
2026-03-27 11:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:33   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:39     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 02/10] mm/khugepaged: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS check Zi Yan
2026-03-27  7:29   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  7:35     ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  9:44   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 12:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:45       ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 14:12         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:26           ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 14:31             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:00               ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:22                 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 16:30                   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-28  2:29                     ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 12:07   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:46     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:37   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:43     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 03/10] mm: fs: remove filemap_nr_thps*() functions and their users Zi Yan
2026-03-27  9:32   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 12:23   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:58     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:23       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:05         ` Zi Yan
2026-04-01 14:35           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 15:32             ` Zi Yan
2026-04-01 19:15               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 20:33                 ` Zi Yan
2026-04-02 14:35                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-02 14:38                     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 04/10] fs: remove nr_thps from struct address_space Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:00   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-30  3:06   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 05/10] mm/huge_memory: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from file_thp_enabled() Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:42   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:12     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 15:29       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:43         ` Zi Yan [this message]
2026-03-27 16:08           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 16:12             ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:14               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-29  4:07               ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 11:17                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-30 14:35                   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-30 16:09                     ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 16:19                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-01 14:38                         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 14:53                           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 06/10] mm/huge_memory: remove folio split check for READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:50   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-30  9:15   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 07/10] mm/truncate: use folio_split() in truncate_inode_partial_folio() Zi Yan
2026-03-27  3:33   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:35     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-28  9:54   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-28  9:54   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 08/10] fs/btrfs: remove a comment referring to READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 09/10] selftests/mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS in khugepaged Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 10/10] selftests/mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from comments in guard-regions Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:46 ` [PATCH v1 00/10] Remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:26   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 14:27   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:30     ` Zi Yan
2026-04-05 17:38 ` Nico Pache
2026-04-06  1:59   ` Zi Yan
2026-04-06 16:17     ` Nico Pache

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