From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2905C433E2 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 22:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kanga.kvack.org (kanga.kvack.org [205.233.56.17]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6516220C09 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 22:08:54 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 6516220C09 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=intel.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) id D38B86B005C; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 40) id CE7136B0068; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Delivered-To: int-list-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 63042) id B881D6B006C; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Delivered-To: linux-mm@kvack.org Received: from forelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0142.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.142]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D97B6B005C for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpin17.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.251]) by forelay02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3F03623 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 22:08:53 +0000 (UTC) X-FDA: 77244913746.17.hot93_1307e59270e0 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (10.5.16.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.16.251]) by smtpin17.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5262180D0180 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 22:08:52 +0000 (UTC) X-HE-Tag: hot93_1307e59270e0 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 5605 Received: from mga02.intel.com (mga02.intel.com [134.134.136.20]) by imf48.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 22:08:50 +0000 (UTC) IronPort-SDR: idRPCkJMb0ZmKzo6OuYUulr1K7mlut/E5LIWmwfAhROFoUArSJ3rBOhFFBSE6ANmSSk/xlDzZg TQFQlmn/vl2g== X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6000,8403,9739"; a="146139209" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.76,410,1592895600"; d="scan'208";a="146139209" X-Amp-Result: SKIPPED(no attachment in message) X-Amp-File-Uploaded: False Received: from fmsmga005.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.32]) by orsmga101.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 09 Sep 2020 15:08:49 -0700 IronPort-SDR: ja8xYzSOffLJsq2Ox9FFmdIletFOF3lyTH0VA4m1Vmw4b8qS0c7zsH23hE2CtOCFggzkvXnwkW DJKaNSKnGGMQ== X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.76,410,1592895600"; d="scan'208";a="505606420" Received: from yyu32-mobl1.amr.corp.intel.com (HELO [10.212.243.130]) ([10.212.243.130]) by fmsmga005-auth.fm.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 09 Sep 2020 15:08:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 25/25] x86/cet/shstk: Add arch_prctl functions for shadow stack From: "Yu, Yu-cheng" To: Dave Hansen , Andy Lutomirski Cc: Dave Martin , "H.J. Lu" , Florian Weimer , X86 ML , "H. Peter Anvin" , Thomas Gleixner , Ingo Molnar , LKML , "open list:DOCUMENTATION" , Linux-MM , linux-arch , Linux API , Arnd Bergmann , Balbir Singh , Borislav Petkov , Cyrill Gorcunov , Dave Hansen , Eugene Syromiatnikov , Jann Horn , Jonathan Corbet , Kees Cook , Mike Kravetz , Nadav Amit , Oleg Nesterov , Pavel Machek , Peter Zijlstra , Randy Dunlap , "Ravi V. Shankar" , Vedvyas Shanbhogue , Weijiang Yang References: <086c73d8-9b06-f074-e315-9964eb666db9@intel.com> <73c2211f-8811-2d9f-1930-1c5035e6129c@intel.com> <20200826164604.GW6642@arm.com> <87ft892vvf.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> <0e9996bc-4c1b-cc99-9616-c721b546f857@intel.com> <4f2dfefc-b55e-bf73-f254-7d95f9c67e5c@intel.com> <20200901102758.GY6642@arm.com> <32005d57-e51a-7c7f-4e86-612c2ff067f3@intel.com> <46dffdfd-92f8-0f05-6164-945f217b0958@intel.com> <6e1e22a5-1b7f-2783-351e-c8ed2d4893b8@intel.com> Message-ID: <5979c58d-a6e3-d14d-df92-72cdeb97298d@intel.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 15:08:45 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6e1e22a5-1b7f-2783-351e-c8ed2d4893b8@intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E5262180D0180 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 100.00] X-Rspamd-Server: rspam03 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On 9/8/2020 11:25 AM, Yu, Yu-cheng wrote: > On 9/8/2020 10:57 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: >> On 9/8/20 10:50 AM, Yu, Yu-cheng wrote: >>> What about this: >>> >>> - Do not add any new syscall or arch_prctl for creating a new shadow=20 >>> stack. >>> >>> - Add a new arch_prctl that can turn an anonymous mapping to a shadow >>> stack mapping. >>> >>> This allows the application to do whatever is necessary.=C2=A0 It can= even >>> allow GDB or JIT code to create or fix a call stack. >> >> Fine with me.=C2=A0 But, it's going to effectively be >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0arch_prctl(PR_CONVERT_TO_SHS..., addr, len); >> >> when it could just as easily be: >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0madvise(addr, len, MADV_SHSTK...); >> >> Or a new syscall.=C2=A0 The only question in my mind is whether we wan= t to do >> something generic that we can use for other similar things in the >> future, like: >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0madvise2(addr, len, flags, MADV2_SHSTK...); >> >> I don't really feel strongly about it, though.=C2=A0 Could you please = share >> your logic on why you want a prctl() as opposed to a whole new syscall= ? >> >=20 > A new syscall is more intrusive, I think.=C2=A0 When creating a new sha= dow=20 > stack, the kernel also installs a restore token on the top of the new=20 > shadow stack, and it is somewhat x86-specific.=C2=A0 So far no other ar= ch's=20 > need this. >=20 > Yes, madvise is better if the kernel only needs to change the mapping.=20 > The application itself can create the restore token before calling=20 > madvise(). After looking at this more, I found the changes are more similar to=20 mprotect() than madvise(). We are going to change an anonymous mapping=20 to a read-only mapping, and add the VM_SHSTK flag to it. Would an=20 x86-specific mprotect(PROT_SHSTK) make more sense? One alternative would be requiring a read-only mapping for=20 madvise(MADV_SHSTK). But that is inconvenient for the application. Yu-cheng