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From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Ivan Babrou <ivan@cloudflare.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 11:05:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5906501e-4dff-4c66-7ab3-e9193d312270@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZO2d7dT8gulMyb8g@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 8/29/23 03:27, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 28-08-23 13:27:23, Waiman Long wrote:
>> On 8/28/23 13:07, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
>>>> Here I agree with you. Let's go with the approach which is easy to
>>>> undo for now. Though I prefer the new explicit interface for flushing,
>>>> that step would be very hard to undo. Let's reevaluate if the proposed
>>>> approach shows negative impact on production traffic and I think
>>>> Cloudflare folks can give us the results soon.
>>> Do you prefer we also switch to using a mutex (with preemption
>>> disabled) to avoid the scenario Michal described where flushers give
>>> up the lock and sleep resulting in an unbounded wait time in the worst
>>> case?
>> Locking with mutex with preemption disabled is an oxymoron.
> I believe Yosry wanted to disable preemption _after_ the lock is taken
> to reduce the time spent while it is held. The idea to use the mutex is
> to reduce spinning and more importantly to get rid of lock dropping
> part. It is not really clear (but unlikely) we can drop it while
> preserving the spinlock as the thing scales with O(#cgroups x #cpus)
> in the worst case.

As I have said later in my email, I am not against disabling preemption 
selectively on some parts of the lock critical section where preemption 
is undesirable. However, I am against disabling preemption for the whole 
duration of the code where the mutex lock is held as it defeats the 
purpose of using mutex in the first place.

Cheers,
Longman



  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-29 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-21 20:54 [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: memcg: properly name and document unified stats flushing Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: memcg: add a helper for non-unified " Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22 13:01   ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:00     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22 16:35       ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:48         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22  9:06   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-22 15:30     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-23  7:33       ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-23 14:55         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24  7:13           ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-24 18:15             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24 18:50               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25  7:05                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 15:14                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25 18:17                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:21                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25 18:43                         ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:44                           ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 15:47                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 16:15                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:00                         ` Shakeel Butt
2023-08-28 17:07                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:27                             ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:28                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:35                                 ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:43                                   ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 18:35                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29  7:27                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-29 15:05                                 ` Waiman Long [this message]
2023-08-29 15:17                                   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-29 16:04                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 18:44                   ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 19:13                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 19:36                       ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 19:54                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 20:12                           ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 20:20                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-31  9:05                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-22 13:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 15:43   ` Yosry Ahmed

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