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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Charlie Jenkins <charlie@rivosinc.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 1/2] mm: Add personality flag to limit address to 47 bits
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2024 09:14:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <58f39d58-579e-4dd3-8084-baebf86f1ae0@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9fc4746b-8e9d-4a75-b966-e0906187e6b7@app.fastmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 06, 2024 at 07:17:44AM GMT, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024, at 21:15, Charlie Jenkins wrote:
> > Create a personality flag ADDR_LIMIT_47BIT to support applications
> > that wish to transition from running in environments that support at
> > most 47-bit VAs to environments that support larger VAs. This
> > personality can be set to cause all allocations to be below the 47-bit
> > boundary. Using MAP_FIXED with mmap() will bypass this restriction.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Charlie Jenkins <charlie@rivosinc.com>
>
> I think having an architecture-independent mechanism to limit the size
> of the 64-bit address space is useful in general, and we've discussed
> the same thing for arm64 in the past, though we have not actually
> reached an agreement on the ABI previously.

The thread on the original proposals attests to this being rather a fraught
topic, and I think the weight of opinion was more so in favour of opt-in
rather than opt-out.

>
> > @@ -22,6 +22,7 @@ enum {
> >  	WHOLE_SECONDS =		0x2000000,
> >  	STICKY_TIMEOUTS	=	0x4000000,
> >  	ADDR_LIMIT_3GB = 	0x8000000,
> > +	ADDR_LIMIT_47BIT = 	0x10000000,
> > };
>
> I'm a bit worried about having this done specifically in the
> personality flag bits, as they are rather limited. We obviously
> don't want to add many more such flags when there could be
> a way to just set the default limit.

Since I'm the one who suggested it, I feel I should offer some kind of
vague defence here :)

We shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of the good. This is a relatively
straightforward means of achieving the aim (assuming your concern about
arch_get_mmap_end() below isn't a blocker) which has the least impact on
existing code.

Of course we can end up in absurdities where we start doing
ADDR_LIMIT_xxBIT... but again - it's simple, shouldn't represent an
egregious maintenance burden and is entirely opt-in so has things going for
it.

>
> It's also unclear to me how we want this flag to interact with
> the existing logic in arch_get_mmap_end(), which attempts to
> limit the default mapping to a 47-bit address space already.

How does ADDR_LIMIT_3GB presently interact with that?

>
> For some reason, it appears that the arch_get_mmap_end()
> logic on RISC-V defaults to the maximum address
> space for the 'addr==0' case which is inconsistentn with
> the other architectures, so we should probably fix that
> part first, possibly moving more of that logic into a
> shared implementation.
>
>       Arnd


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-09-06  8:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-05 21:15 [PATCH RFC v3 0/2] mm: Introduce ADDR_LIMIT_47BIT personality flag Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-05 21:15 ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/2] mm: Add personality flag to limit address to 47 bits Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-06  6:59   ` Michael Ellerman
2024-09-09 19:07     ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-10  9:20       ` Christophe Leroy
2024-09-10 12:43         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-09-11 13:38           ` Michael Ellerman
2024-09-12  6:20             ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-20  5:10               ` Michael Ellerman
2024-09-11 13:37       ` Michael Ellerman
2024-09-06  7:17   ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-06  8:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-06  8:14     ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2024-09-06  9:14       ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-06  9:52         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-09 23:22           ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-10  9:13             ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-10 23:29               ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-11 13:50               ` Michael Ellerman
2024-09-06  9:14     ` Guo Ren
2024-09-06  9:55       ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-06 11:43         ` Catalin Marinas
2024-09-10 19:08           ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-09-11  0:45             ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-11  7:25               ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-12  6:06                 ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-11 18:21               ` Catalin Marinas
2024-09-12  6:18                 ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-12 10:53                   ` Catalin Marinas
2024-09-12 21:15                     ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-13 10:08                       ` Catalin Marinas
2024-09-13 10:21                         ` Catalin Marinas
2024-09-13 20:15                         ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-13  7:41                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-13 21:04                     ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-10-02 14:26                       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2024-09-05 21:15 ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/2] selftests/mm: Create ADDR_LIMIT_47BIT test Charlie Jenkins
2024-09-06  6:08 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/2] mm: Introduce ADDR_LIMIT_47BIT personality flag Guo Ren
2024-09-06  6:19 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2024-09-08 11:26 ` Jiaxun Yang

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