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From: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bp@alien8.de,
	 dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com,
	nadav.amit@gmail.com, 	thomas.lendacky@amd.com,
	kernel-team@meta.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
		akpm@linux-foundation.org, jannh@google.com,
	mhklinux@outlook.com, 	andrew.cooper3@citrix.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 09/12] x86/mm: enable broadcast TLB invalidation for multi-threaded processes
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2025 20:13:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5820b18ef0ba48c33a62553fcc444c47f963b907.camel@surriel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250122083835.GE7145@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, 2025-01-22 at 09:38 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> Looking at this more... I'm left wondering, did 'we' look at any
> other
> architecture code at all? 
> 
> For example, look at arch/arm64/mm/context.c and see how their reset
> works. Notably, they are not at all limited to reclaiming free'd
> ASIDs,
> but will very aggressively take back all ASIDs except for the current
> running ones.
> 
I did look at the ARM64 code, and while their reset
is much nicer, it looks like that comes at a cost on
each process at context switch time.

In new_context(), there is a call to check_update_reserved_asid(),
which will iterate over all CPUs to check whether this
process's ASID is part of the reserved list that got
carried over during the rollover.

I don't know if that would scale well enough to work
on systems with thousands of CPUs.

> If we want to move towards relying on broadcast TBLI, we'll need to
> go in that direction.

For single threaded processes, which are still very
common, a local flush would likely be faster than
broadcast flushes, even if multiple broadcast flushes
can be pending simultaneously.

For very large systems with a large number of processes,
I agree we want to move in that direction, but we may
need to figure out whether or not everybody taking the 
cpu_asid_lock at rollover time, and then scanning all
other CPUs from check_update_reserved_asid(), with the
lock held, would scale to systems with thousands of CPUs.

Everybody taking the cpu_asid_lock would probably be
fine, if they didn't all have to scan over all the
CPUs.

If we can figure out a more scalable way to do the
new_context() stuff, this would definitely be the
way to go.

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-23  1:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-20  2:40 [PATCH v6 00/12] AMD broadcast TLB invalidation Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 01/12] x86/mm: make MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE unconditional Rik van Riel
2025-01-20 19:32   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 02/12] x86/mm: remove pv_ops.mmu.tlb_remove_table call Rik van Riel
2025-01-20 19:47   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-21  1:03     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-21  7:46       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-21  8:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-22 15:48           ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 03/12] x86/mm: consolidate full flush threshold decision Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 04/12] x86/mm: get INVLPGB count max from CPUID Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 05/12] x86/mm: add INVLPGB support code Rik van Riel
2025-01-21  9:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-22 16:58     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 06/12] x86/mm: use INVLPGB for kernel TLB flushes Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 07/12] x86/tlb: use INVLPGB in flush_tlb_all Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 08/12] x86/mm: use broadcast TLB flushing for page reclaim TLB flushing Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 09/12] x86/mm: enable broadcast TLB invalidation for multi-threaded processes Rik van Riel
2025-01-20 14:02   ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-20 16:09     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-20 20:04       ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-20 22:44         ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-21  7:31           ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-21  9:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-21 10:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-23  1:40       ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-21 18:48     ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-22  8:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-23  1:13     ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2025-01-23  9:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-23 12:42         ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 10/12] x86,tlb: do targeted broadcast flushing from tlbbatch code Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 11/12] x86/mm: enable AMD translation cache extensions Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v6 12/12] x86/mm: only invalidate final translations with INVLPGB Rik van Riel
2025-01-20  5:58 ` [PATCH v6 00/12] AMD broadcast TLB invalidation Michael Kelley
2025-01-24 11:41 ` Manali Shukla

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