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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 10:32:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5797d6f7-51e9-4610-9305-0ac4a82ba577@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABi2SkWeXJXmuE8OETJvbmxzGjk1e+5FUT9Gi2ZC35M-TcZWEA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 04:04:03PM -0800, Jeff Xu wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 10:04 PM Lorenzo Stoakes
> <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 05:33:24PM -0800, Jeff Xu wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:05 PM Lorenzo Stoakes
> > > <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > > > +config ARCH_HAS_MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS
> > > > > +     bool
> > > > > +     help
> > > > > +       Control MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS access based on architecture.
> > > > > +
> > > > > +       A 64-bit kernel is required for the memory sealing feature.
> > > > > +       No specific hardware features from the CPU are needed.
> > > > > +
> > > > > +       To enable this feature, the architecture needs to update their
> > > > > +       special mappings calls to include the sealing flag and confirm
> > > > > +       that it doesn't unmap/remap system mappings during the life
> > > > > +       time of the process. After the architecture enables this, a
> > > > > +       distribution can set CONFIG_MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPING to manage access
> > > > > +       to the feature.
> > > >
> > > > Architectures also need to be confirmed not to require any form of VDSO
> > > > relocation, which as discussed in previous series some arches appear to
> > > > need to do. I'd mention that here.
> > > >
> > > This might need clarification, the system mapping includes vdso, right
> > > ? Why the focus on vdso ?
> >
> > My mistake, I thought scope was more limited than this when I first
> > looked. Please disregard the focus on VDSO here... :)
> >
> > >
> > > The sentence  "... it doesn't unmap/remap system mappings during the
> > > lifetime of the process."  already cover what you want here, I think.
> > >
> >
> > Right, I guess it just doesn't quite _emphasise_ it enough for me. Something
> > like the below would really help bring that out:
> >
> >         The existing of this flag for an architecture implies that it does not
> >         require the remapping of these system mappings during process lifetime,
> >         so sealing these mappings is safe from a kernel perspective.
> >
> I'm not sure I get the difference, but I can add it,  is below OK ?
>
> To enable this feature, the architecture needs to update their
> special mappings calls to include the sealing flag and confirm
> that it doesn't unmap/remap system mappings during the life
> time of the process. The existence of this flag for an architecture
> implies that it does not require the remapping of these system
> mappings during process lifetime, so sealing these mappings is
> safe from a kernel perspective. After the architecture enables this,
> a distribution can set CONFIG_MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPING to
> manage access to the feature.

Sounds great, cheers!

>
> Thanks
> -Jeff


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-28 10:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-24 22:52 [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings jeffxu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  1:33     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  6:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28  0:04         ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:32           ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-02-25 15:22   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-25 15:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:04     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] selftests: x86: test_mremap_vdso: skip if vdso is msealed jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:15   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:37     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:58       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] mseal, system mappings: enable x86-64 jeffxu
2025-02-25  1:03   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26  0:21     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25  8:08   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-26  0:48     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  7:35       ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-27 21:44         ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] mseal, system mappings: enable arm64 jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:20   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:26     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:25       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 17:11         ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-26 17:17           ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 17:43             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:14               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28  0:48               ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:31                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] mseal, system mappings: enable uml architecture jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25  8:45     ` Berg, Benjamin
2025-02-25 10:37       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 12:24         ` Benjamin Berg
2025-02-25 13:41           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 13:59             ` Johannes Berg
2025-02-25 15:06         ` Kees Cook
2025-02-25 15:31           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 18:38             ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26  0:00               ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] mseal, system mappings: uprobe mapping jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:24   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:06     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:57       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 16:26   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 16:33     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 16:45     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:01       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 18:06         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:19           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-26 18:20           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 18:25             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 23:38               ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:39                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 21:48             ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] mseal, system mappings: update mseal.rst jeffxu
2025-02-24 23:03 ` [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings Pedro Falcato
2025-02-24 23:07   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25  6:09     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:17   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  6:00     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 23:43       ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:32         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 15:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:12   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:42     ` your mail Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28  0:55       ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28  9:35         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 17:24           ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 17:30             ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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