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From: Sebastian Frias <sf84@laposte.net>
To: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Mason <slash.tmp@free.fr>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: add config option to select the initial overcommit mode
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 15:11:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57430190.1080401@laposte.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160513164113.6317c491@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

Hi Alan,

On 05/13/2016 05:41 PM, One Thousand Gnomes wrote:
>> My understanding is that there was a time when there was no overcommit at all.
>> If that's the case, understanding why overcommit was introduced would be helpful.
> 
> Linux always had overcommit.
> 
> The origin of overcommit is virtual memory for the most part. In a
> classic swapping system without VM the meaning of brk() and thus malloc()
> is that it allocates memory (or swap). Likewise this is true of fork()
> and stack extension.
> 
> In a virtual memory system these allocate _address space_. It does not
> become populated except by page faulting, copy on write and the like. It
> turns out that for most use cases on a virtual memory system we get huge
> amounts of page sharing or untouched space.
> 
> Historically Linux did guess based overcommit and I added no overcommit
> support way back when, along with 'anything is allowed' support for
> certain HPC use cases.
> 
> The beancounter patches combined with this made the entire setup
> completely robust but the beancounters never hit upstream although years
> later they became part of the basis of the cgroups.
> 
> You can sort of set a current Linux up for definitely no overcommit using
> cgroups and no overcommit settings. It works for most stuff although last
> I checked most graphics drivers were terminally broken (and not just to
> no overcommit but to the point you can remote DoS Linux boxes with a
> suitably constructed web page and chrome browser)
> 
> Alan
> 

Thanks for your comment, it certainly provides more clues and provided some history about the "overcommit" setting.
I will see if we can do what we want with cgroups.

Best regards,

Sebastian

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-23 13:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-10 11:56 Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13  8:04 ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13  8:44   ` Mason
2016-05-13  9:52     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 10:18       ` Mason
2016-05-13 10:42         ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 11:44         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 12:15           ` Mason
2016-05-13 14:01             ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 14:15               ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:04               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:37                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:43                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-17  8:24                     ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-17  8:57                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-17 16:16                         ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-17 17:29                           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-18 15:19                             ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-18 16:28                               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-17 20:16                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-18 15:18                             ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-19  7:14                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 17:01                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 13:27         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13  9:52     ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 12:00       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 12:39         ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 13:11           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 13:32             ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 13:51               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 14:35                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 14:54                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 15:15                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 13:34             ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 14:14               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 14:23                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:02                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 15:01               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:15                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:25                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 14:51           ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 14:59             ` Mason
2016-05-13 15:11               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:26                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 15:32                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:10             ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:41               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-23 13:11                 ` Sebastian Frias [this message]
2016-05-17  9:03 ` Mason

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