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From: Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru>
To: Mark Williamson <mwilliamson@undo-software.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Naoya Horiguchi <n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Mark Seaborn <mseaborn@chromium.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Daniel James <djames@undo-software.com>,
	Finn Grimwood <fgrimwood@undo-software.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] pagemap: add mmap-exclusive bit for marking pages mapped only here
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 13:51:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55532CB0.6070400@yandex-team.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEVpBaLm9eicuFPmyRLa7GddLwtBJh3XzHT=fxj-h0YwwmXQOg@mail.gmail.com>

On 12.05.2015 15:05, Mark Williamson wrote:
> Hi Konstantin,
>
> I hope you won't mind me thinking out loud here on the idea of adding
> a flag to the v2 pagemap fields...  From a kernel PoV, I agree that
> this seems like the cleanest approach.  However, with my application
> developer hat on:
>
>   1. I was hoping we'd be able to backport a compatible fix to older
> kernels that might adopt the pagemap permissions change.  Using the V2
> format flags rules out doing this for kernels that are too old to have
> soft-dirty, I think.
 >
>   2. From our software's PoV, I feel it's worth noting that it doesn't
> strictly fix ABI compatibility, though I realise that's probably not
> your primary concern here.  We'll need to modify our code to write the
> clear_refs file but that change is OK for us if it's the preferred
> solution.
>
> In the patches I've been playing with, I was considering putting the
> Exclusive flag in the now-unused PFN field of the pagemap entries.
> Since we're specifically trying to work around for the lack of PFN
> information, would there be any appetite for mirroring this flag
> unconditionally into the now-empty PFN field (i.e. whether using v1 or
> v2 flags) when accessed by an unprivileged process?
>
> I realise it's ugly from a kernel PoV and I feel a little bad for
> suggesting it - but it would address points 1 and 2 for us (our
> existing code just looks for changes in the pagemap entry, so sticking
> the flag in there would cause it to do the right thing).
>
> I'm sorry to raise application-specific issues at this point; I
> appreciate that your primary concern is to improve the kernel and
> technically I like the approach that you've taken!  I'll try and
> provide more code-oriented feedback once I've tried out the changes.

I prefer to backport v2 format (except soft-dirty bit and clear_refs)
into older kernels. Page-shift bits are barely used so nobody will see
the difference.

-- 
Konstantin

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-13 10:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-12  9:43 [PATCH RFC 0/3] pagemap: make useable for non-privilege users Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-05-12  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] pagemap: add mmap-exclusive bit for marking pages mapped only here Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-05-12 10:40   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-05-13 10:59     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-05-12 12:05   ` Mark Williamson
2015-05-13 10:51     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov [this message]
2015-05-14 18:50       ` Mark Williamson
2015-05-15  9:39         ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-05-12  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] pagemap: hide physical addresses from non-privileged users Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-05-12 11:22   ` Mark Williamson
2015-05-12 15:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-12 15:41     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-05-12  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] pagemap: switch to the new format and do some cleanup Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-05-12 10:54   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-05-13 11:39     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-05-12 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] pagemap: make useable for non-privilege users Mark Williamson
2015-05-14 18:40   ` Mark Williamson
2015-06-08 12:53     ` Mark Williamson

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