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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: Kaiyang Zhao <kaiyang2@cs.cmu.edu>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 03/26] mm: make pageblock_order 2M per default
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 13:09:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54f24909-91b8-01cc-5a1f-6146ebc9297c@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <804dd674-6078-7455-8dda-1bd921bed828@suse.cz>

On 19.04.23 12:36, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 4/18/23 21:12, Johannes Weiner wrote:
>> pageblock_order can be of various sizes, depending on configuration,
>> but the default is MAX_ORDER-1. Given 4k pages, that comes out to
>> 4M. This is a large chunk for the allocator/reclaim/compaction to try
>> to keep grouped per migratetype. It's also unnecessary as the majority
>> of higher order allocations - THP and slab - are smaller than that.
> 
> Well in my experience the kernel usually has hugetlbfs config-enabled so it
> uses 2MB pageblocks (on x86) even if hugetlbfs is unused at runtime and THP
> is used instead. But sure, we can set a better default that's not tied to
> hugetlbfs.

As virtio-mem really wants small pageblocks (hot(un)plug granularity), 
I've seen reports from users without HUGETLB configured complaining 
about this (on x86, we'd get 4M instead of 2M).

So having a better default (PMD_SIZE) sounds like a good idea to me (and 
I even recall suggesting to change the !hugetlb default).

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-19 11:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-18 19:12 [RFC PATCH 00/26] mm: reliable huge page allocator Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 01/26] block: bdev: blockdev page cache is movable Johannes Weiner
2023-04-19  4:07   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-04-21 12:25   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 02/26] mm: compaction: avoid GFP_NOFS deadlocks Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 12:27   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 14:17     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 03/26] mm: make pageblock_order 2M per default Johannes Weiner
2023-04-19  0:01   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-19  2:55     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-19  3:44       ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-19 11:10     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-19 10:36   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-19 11:09     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-04-21 12:37   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 04/26] mm: page_isolation: write proper kerneldoc Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 12:39   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 05/26] mm: page_alloc: per-migratetype pcplist for THPs Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 12:47   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 15:06     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-28 10:29       ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 06/26] mm: page_alloc: consolidate free page accounting Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 12:54   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 15:08     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 07/26] mm: page_alloc: move capture_control to the page allocator Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 12:59   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 08/26] mm: page_alloc: claim blocks during compaction capturing Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 13:12   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-25 14:39     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 09/26] mm: page_alloc: move expand() above compaction_capture() Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 10/26] mm: page_alloc: allow compaction capturing from larger blocks Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:14   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-25 15:40     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-28 10:41       ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 11/26] mm: page_alloc: introduce MIGRATE_FREE Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:25   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 12/26] mm: page_alloc: per-migratetype free counts Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:28   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 15:35     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 16:03       ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 16:32         ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 13/26] mm: compaction: remove compaction result helpers Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:32   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 14/26] mm: compaction: simplify should_compact_retry() Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:36   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-25  2:15     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-25  0:56   ` Huang, Ying
2023-04-25  2:11     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 15/26] mm: compaction: simplify free block check in suitable_migration_target() Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:39   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 16/26] mm: compaction: improve compaction_suitable() accuracy Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 17/26] mm: compaction: refactor __compaction_suitable() Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 18/26] mm: compaction: remove unnecessary is_via_compact_memory() checks Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 19/26] mm: compaction: drop redundant watermark check in compaction_zonelist_suitable() Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 20/26] mm: vmscan: use compaction_suitable() check in kswapd Johannes Weiner
2023-04-25  3:12   ` Huang, Ying
2023-04-25 14:26     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-26  1:30       ` Huang, Ying
2023-04-26 15:22         ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-27  5:41           ` Huang, Ying
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 21/26] mm: compaction: align compaction goals with reclaim goals Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 22/26] mm: page_alloc: manage free memory in whole pageblocks Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 23/26] mm: page_alloc: kill highatomic Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 24/26] mm: page_alloc: kill watermark boosting Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 25/26] mm: page_alloc: disallow fallbacks when 2M defrag is enabled Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:56   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 15:24     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 15:55       ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 26/26] mm: page_alloc: add sanity checks for migratetypes Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 23:54 ` [RFC PATCH 00/26] mm: reliable huge page allocator Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-19  2:08   ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-19 10:56     ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-19  4:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-04-21 16:11   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 17:14     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-05-02 15:21       ` David Hildenbrand

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