From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Gladyshev Ilya <gladyshev.ilya1@h-partners.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
Gorbunov Ivan <gorbunov.ivan@h-partners.com>,
Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Kiryl Shutsemau <kirill@shutemov.name>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: implement page refcount locking via dedicated bit
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 14:10:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54cc6e6d-bda7-4c5b-a998-df854ead1985@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <902d821b-e903-4bf5-89db-070851c95a1a@h-partners.com>
>>>
>>> rcu_read_lock();
>>> /* avoid writing to the vmemmap area being remapped */
>>> - if (page_count_writable(page))
>>> - ret = atomic_add_unless(&page->_refcount, nr, 0);
>>> + if (page_count_writable(page)) {
>>> + val = atomic_add_return(nr, &page->_refcount);
>>> + ret = !(val & PAGEREF_LOCKED_BIT);
>>> +
>>> + /* Undo atomic_add() if counter is locked and scary big */
>>> + while (unlikely((unsigned int)val >= _PAGEREF_LOCKED_LIMIT))
>>> + val = atomic_cmpxchg_relaxed(&page->_refcount, val,
> PAGEREF_LOCKED_BIT);
>>
>> I assume we can't do an atomic_dec(), because we might have concurrent
>> unfreezing (or similar things) happening that overwrote whatever was in
>> there.
>
> Not only that, but also you probably don't want to handle "atomic_dec()
> returned 0" situations.
Right, and then we'd have to free the page here instead, which is rather
awkward.
>>
>> I was wondering is whether page_ref_freeze() could actually leave the
>> references set, and only set the PAGEREF_LOCKED_BIT bit, whereby
>> page_ref_unfreeze() would only clear the PAGEREF_LOCKED_BIT bit.
>>
>> Similarly, the set_page_refcounted() could add a reference and clear the
>> PAGEREF_LOCKED_BIT. That'd be more expensive on the allocation path ...
>> and not sure if that would really help to turn this
>> atomic_cmpxchg_relaxed() into an simpler atomic_dec() my brain could
>> more easily understand 🙂
>
> I believe resetting whole counter via single CAS (CPU-wise) is cheaper
> than atomic_dec() for each individual attempt.
>
Right, that's what I meant with "more expensive".
[...]
>>
>> For example, all pages we add to the page allocator through
>> __free_pages_core().
>
> You are right that refcount = 0 is tricky. However, for a bad outcome
> you will need:
> 1. Some external reference to this page, through which you try to
> increment the refcount;
> 2. set_page_count(0) somewhere between freeing and "it is safe to alloc"
> state.
That is way, way, way too dodgy.
What you should likely do is
(a) Make set_page_count(0) set it to PAGEREF_LOCKED_BIT
(b) Make any places that might skip set_page_count(0) to use it
(c) Document this all extremely thoroughly.
Alternatively, disallow set_page_count(0) ccompletely and add something
like "initialize_page_as_frozen()" or sth. like that.
A refcount of 0 must really only be temporarily allowed in the system
when transitioning from 0 to PAGEREF_LOCKED_BIT. Otherwise this just
screams for trouble.
>
> So adding new pages with zeroed refcount to allocator is safe, because
> there are no external references. Zeroing tail page's refcount is safe,
> unless someone actually tries to increment its refcount (and this is bug).
>
> Generally, the only unsafe set_page_count() (or any other zeroing) will
> be in allocator itself between freeing and allocating. Or maybe I missed
> something, and this approach is indeed incorrect
>
> Probably we can think of some debug checks to prevent bugs in "safe"
> scenarious
Just take a look at do_migrate_range(), where we do a
page = pfn_to_page(pfn);
folio = page_folio(page);
if (!folio_try_get(folio))
continue;
If that is a page that was added to the buddy (set_page_count(0)) but
either (a) not allocated yet or (b) allocated as frozen that's a problem.
We really rely on
(1) Frozen pages
(2) Buddy pages
(3) Tail pages (compound or non-compoud)
To have a refcount of 0 that *reliably* makes folio_try_get() etc. fail.
Anything else is just playing with fire.
--
Cheers,
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-06 13:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-26 16:27 [PATCH 0/1] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Gladyshev Ilya
2026-02-26 16:27 ` [PATCH 1/1] mm: implement page refcount locking via dedicated bit Gladyshev Ilya
2026-03-04 19:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 8:10 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 11:50 ` Gladyshev Ilya
2026-03-06 13:10 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-03-06 14:29 ` Gladyshev Ilya
2026-02-28 22:19 ` [PATCH 0/1] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Andrew Morton
2026-03-01 3:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-01 18:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-01 20:26 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-03-01 21:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-04 17:34 ` Linus Torvalds
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