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From: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Bang Li <libang.linux@gmail.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hughd@google.com
Cc: willy@infradead.org, david@redhat.com,
	wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com, ying.huang@intel.com,
	21cnbao@gmail.com, shy828301@gmail.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	ioworker0@gmail.com, da.gomez@samsung.com, p.raghav@samsung.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 4/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP support for anonymous shmem
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 16:57:59 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <545e23ab-e40a-4f13-8167-c9aa85a34b19@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <96625631-ef7d-44a2-ad5f-f7beb64f0ed0@arm.com>



On 2024/7/5 16:42, Ryan Roberts wrote:
> On 05/07/2024 04:01, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2024/7/4 22:46, Bang Li wrote:
>>> Hi Bao lin,
>>>
>>> On 2024/7/4 19:15, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +    /*
>>>>>> +     * Only allow inherit orders if the top-level value is 'force', which
>>>>>> +     * means non-PMD sized THP can not override 'huge' mount option now.
>>>>>> +     */
>>>>>> +    if (shmem_huge == SHMEM_HUGE_FORCE)
>>>>>> +        return READ_ONCE(huge_shmem_orders_inherit);
>>>>>
>>>>> I vaguely recall that we originally discussed that trying to set 'force' on the
>>>>> top level control while any per-size controls were set to 'inherit' would be an
>>>>> error, and trying to set 'force' on any per-size control except the PMD-size
>>>>> would be an error?
>>>>
>>>> Right.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't really understand this logic. Shouldn't we just be looking at the
>>>>> per-size control settings (or the top-level control as a proxy for every
>>>>> per-size control that has 'inherit' set)?
>>>>
>>>> ‘force’ will apply the huge orders for anon shmem and tmpfs, so now we only
>>>> allow pmd-mapped THP to be forced. We should not look at per-size control
>>>> settings for tmpfs now (mTHP for tmpfs will be discussed in future).
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then for tmpfs, which doesn't support non-PMD-sizes yet, we just always use the
>>>>> PMD-size control for decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also really struggling with the concept of shmem_is_huge() existing along
>>>>> side shmem_allowable_huge_orders(). Surely this needs to all be refactored into
>>>>> shmem_allowable_huge_orders()?
>>>>
>>>> I understood. But now they serve different purposes: shmem_is_huge() will be
>>>> used to check the huge orders for the top level, for *tmpfs* and anon shmem;
>>>> whereas shmem_allowable_huge_orders() will only be used to check the per-size
>>>> huge orders for anon shmem (excluding tmpfs now). However, as I plan to add
>>>> mTHP support for tmpfs, I think we can perform some cleanups.
>>>
>>> Please count me in, I'd be happy to contribute to the cleanup and enhancement
>>> process if I can.
>>
>> Good. If you have time, I think you can look at the shmem khugepaged issue from
>> the previous discussion [1], which I don't have time to look at now.
>>
>> "
>> (3) khugepaged
>>
>> khugepaged needs to handle larger folios properly as well. Until fixed,
>> using smaller THP sizes as fallback might prohibit collapsing a
>> PMD-sized THP later. But really, khugepaged needs to be fixed to handle
>> that.
>> "
> 
> khugepaged can already collapse "folios of any order less then PMD-size" to
> PMD-size, for anon memory. Infact I modified the selftest to be able to test
> that in commit 9f0704eae8a4 ("selftests/mm/khugepaged: enlighten for multi-size
> THP"). I'd be surprised if khugepaged can't alreay handle the same for shmem?

I did not test this, but from the comment in hpage_collapse_scan_file(), 
seems that compacting small mTHP into a single PMD-mapped THP is not 
supported yet.

/*
		 * TODO: khugepaged should compact smaller compound pages
		 * into a PMD sized page
		 */
		if (folio_test_large(folio)) {
			result = folio_order(folio) == HPAGE_PMD_ORDER &&
					folio->index == start
					/* Maybe PMD-mapped */
					? SCAN_PTE_MAPPED_HUGEPAGE
					: SCAN_PAGE_COMPOUND;
			/*
			 * For SCAN_PTE_MAPPED_HUGEPAGE, further processing
			 * by the caller won't touch the page cache, and so
			 * it's safe to skip LRU and refcount checks before
			 * returning.
			 */
			break;
		}

> Although the test will definitely want to be extended to test it.

Right.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-05  8:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-11 10:11 [PATCH v5 0/6] " Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] mm: memory: extend finish_fault() to support large folio Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 14:38   ` Zi Yan
2024-06-12  9:28     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-12 13:40   ` Kefeng Wang
2024-06-13  0:51     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] mm: shmem: add THP validation for PMD-mapped THP related statistics Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] mm: shmem: add multi-size THP sysfs interface for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP support " Baolin Wang
2024-07-03 17:25   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-04 11:15     ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-04 13:58       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-04 14:01         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04 15:05         ` Bang Li
2024-07-04 15:54           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-05  2:56         ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-05  8:55           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-04 14:46       ` Bang Li
2024-07-05  3:01         ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-05  8:42           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-05  8:57             ` Baolin Wang [this message]
2024-07-05  9:05               ` Ryan Roberts
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP size alignment in shmem_get_unmapped_area Baolin Wang
2024-06-11 10:11 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP counters for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-06-12  8:04   ` Lance Yang
2024-06-12  9:28     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-12 14:16       ` Lance Yang
2024-06-12 13:46   ` Kefeng Wang
2024-06-13  1:00     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-12 14:18   ` Lance Yang
2024-06-13  1:08     ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-04 18:43 ` [PATCH v5 0/6] add mTHP support " Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-04 19:03   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04 19:19     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-04 19:49       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-05  5:47         ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-05  8:45           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-05  8:59             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-05  9:13               ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-05  9:16                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-05  9:23                   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-07 16:39               ` Daniel Gomez
2024-07-09  8:28                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-16 13:11                   ` Daniel Gomez
2024-07-16 13:22                     ` David Hildenbrand

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