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From: "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	 Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] mm: memcg: refactor page state unit helpers
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:06:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <542ggmgjc27yoosxg466c6n4mzcad2z63t3wdbzevzm43g7xlt@5l7qaepzbth6> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231004183619.GB39112@cmpxchg.org>

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On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 02:36:19PM -0400, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> Yes, it's because of node resolution which event counters generally
> don't have. Some of the refault events influence node-local reclaim
> decisions, see mm/vmscan.c::snapshot_refaults().
> 
> There are a few other event counters in the stat array that people
> thought would be useful to have split out in
> /sys/devices/system/node/nodeN/vmstat to understand numa behavior
> better.
> 
> It's a bit messy.
> 
> Some events would be useful to move to 'stats' for the numa awareness,
> such as the allocator stats and reclaim activity.
> 
> Some events would be useful to move to 'stats' for the numa awareness,
> but don't have the zone resolution required by them, such as
> kswapd/kcompactd wakeups.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

> Some events aren't numa specific, such as oom kills, drop_pagecache.

These are oddballs indeed. As with the normalization patchset these are
counted as PAGE_SIZE^W 1 error but they should rather be an infinite
error (to warrant a flush).

So my feedback to this series is:
- patch 1/2 -- creating two classes of units is consequence of unclarity
  between state and events (as in event=Δstate/Δt) and resolution
  (global vs per-node), so the better approach would be to tidy this up,
- patch 2/2 -- it could use the single unit class that exists, 
  it'll bound the error of printed numbers afterall (and can be changed
  later depending on how it affects internal consumers).

My 0.02€,
Michal

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-05  9:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-22 17:57 [PATCH v2 0/2] mm: memcg: fix tracking of pending stats updates values Yosry Ahmed
2023-09-22 17:57 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm: memcg: refactor page state unit helpers Yosry Ahmed
2023-10-03 13:03   ` Johannes Weiner
2023-10-03 18:11   ` Michal Koutný
2023-10-03 19:47     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-10-04  9:02       ` Michal Koutný
2023-10-04 16:58         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-10-04 18:36         ` Johannes Weiner
2023-10-05  9:06           ` Michal Koutný [this message]
2023-10-05  9:31             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-10-05 16:30               ` Michal Koutný
2023-10-05 17:30                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-10-18 19:27                   ` Andrew Morton
2023-09-22 17:57 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] mm: memcg: normalize the value passed into memcg_rstat_updated() Yosry Ahmed
2023-10-03 13:13   ` Johannes Weiner
2023-10-03 15:53     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-10-03 18:22   ` Michal Koutný
2023-10-03 19:51     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-09-25 13:50 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] mm: memcg: fix tracking of pending stats updates values Michal Hocko
2023-09-25 17:11   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-10-03  7:57     ` Michal Hocko
2023-10-03  8:03       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-10-03  8:09         ` Michal Hocko
2023-10-03  8:49           ` Yosry Ahmed

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