From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/3] targeted TLB sync IPIs for lockless page table
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 22:37:39 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <540adec9-c483-460a-a682-f2076cf015c2@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260202133713.GF1395266@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 2026/2/2 21:37, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 02, 2026 at 09:07:10PM +0800, Lance Yang wrote:
>
>>>> Right, but if we can use full RCU for PT_RECLAIM, why can't we do so
>>>> unconditionally and not add overhead?
>>>
>>> The sync (IPI) is mainly needed for unshare (e.g. hugetlb) and collapse
>>> (khugepaged) paths, regardless of whether table free uses RCU, IIUC.
>>
>> In addition: We need the sync when we modify page tables (e.g. unshare,
>> collapse), not only when we free them. RCU can defer freeing but does
>> not prevent lockless walkers from seeing concurrent in-place
>> modifications, so we need the IPI to synchronize with those walkers
>> first.
>
> Currently PT_RECLAIM=y has no IPI; are you saying that is broken? If
> not, then why do we need this at all?
PT_RECLAIM=y does have IPI for unshare/collapse — those paths call
tlb_flush_unshared_tables() (for hugetlb unshare) and collapse_huge_page()
(in khugepaged collapse), which already send IPIs today (broadcast to all
CPUs via tlb_remove_table_sync_one()).
What PT_RECLAIM=y doesn't need IPI for is table freeing (
__tlb_remove_table_one() uses call_rcu() instead). But table modification
(unshare, collapse) still needs IPI to synchronize with lockless walkers,
regardless of PT_RECLAIM.
So PT_RECLAIM=y is not broken; it already has IPI where needed. This series
just makes those IPIs targeted instead of broadcast. Does that clarify?
Thanks,
Lance
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-02 14:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-02 7:45 [PATCH v4 0/3] targeted TLB sync IPIs for lockless page table walkers Lance Yang
2026-02-02 7:45 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] mm: use targeted IPIs for TLB sync with " Lance Yang
2026-02-02 9:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 12:14 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02 12:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 13:23 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02 13:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 14:28 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02 16:20 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-02 7:45 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] mm: switch callers to tlb_remove_table_sync_mm() Lance Yang
2026-02-02 7:45 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] x86/tlb: add architecture-specific TLB IPI optimization support Lance Yang
2026-02-02 9:54 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] targeted TLB sync IPIs for lockless page table walkers Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 11:00 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] targeted TLB sync IPIs for lockless page table Lance Yang
2026-02-02 12:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 12:58 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02 13:07 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02 13:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 14:37 ` Lance Yang [this message]
2026-02-02 15:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 15:52 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-05 13:25 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 15:01 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-05 15:05 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 15:28 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-05 15:09 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-05 15:31 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-05 15:41 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-05 16:30 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-05 16:46 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 16:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-05 17:06 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 18:36 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-05 22:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 21:30 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 17:00 ` Dave Hansen
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