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From: "Jiayuan Chen" <jiayuan.chen@linux.dev>
To: "Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: "Shakeel Butt" <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, "Jiayuan Chen" <jiayuan.chen@shopee.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@kernel.org>,
	"Qi Zheng" <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Axel Rasmussen" <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	"Yuanchu Xie" <yuanchu@google.com>, "Wei Xu" <weixugc@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] mm/vmscan: mitigate spurious kswapd_failures reset from direct reclaim
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2026 11:19:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52cc0b2671b068903c6580b7431db0f22982ae86@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aVzaqAZ5Wagh5cDQ@tiehlicka>

January 6, 2026 at 17:49, "Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com mailto:mhocko@suse.com?to=%22Michal%20Hocko%22%20%3Cmhocko%40suse.com%3E > wrote:


> 
> On Tue 06-01-26 05:25:42, Jiayuan Chen wrote:
> 
> > 
> > That said, I believe this patch is still a valid fix on its own - resetting kswapd_failures
> >  when the node is not actually balanced doesn't seem like correct behavior regardless of the
> >  broader context.
> > 
> Originally I was more inclined to opt out memcg reclaim from reseting
> kswapd retry counter but the more I am thiking about that the more your
> patch makes sense to me. 
> 
> The reason being that it handles both memcg and global direct reclaims
> in the same way which makes the logic easier to follow. Afterall the
> primary purpose is to resurrect kswapd after we can see there is a
> better chance to reclaim something for kswapd. Until that moment direct
> reclaim is the only reclaim mechanism.
> 
> Relying on pgdat_balanced might lead to re-enabling kswapd way much
> later while memory reclaim would be still mostly direct reclaim bound -
> thus increase allocation latencies.
> If we wanted to do better we would need to evaluate recent
> refaults/thrashing behavior but even then I am not sure we can make a
> good cut off.
> 
> So in the end pgdat_balanced approach seems worth trying and see whether
> this could cause any corner cases.

Thanks Michal.

Regarding the allocation latency concern - we are already
in the direct reclaim slowpath, so a little extra overhead
from the pgdat_balanced check should be negligible.

> -- 
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs
>


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-06 11:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20251222122022.254268-1-jiayuan.chen@linux.dev>
2025-12-22 18:29 ` Andrew Morton
2025-12-23  1:51   ` Jiayuan Chen
2025-12-22 21:15 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-23  1:42   ` Jiayuan Chen
2025-12-23  6:11     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-23  8:22       ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-01-05  4:51         ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-06  5:25           ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-01-06  9:49             ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-06 11:19               ` Jiayuan Chen [this message]
2026-01-06 12:59                 ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-06 16:50                   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-06 19:14                     ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-06 17:45             ` Shakeel Butt

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