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From: Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@parallels.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	devel@openvz.org, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] mm: vmscan: shrink all slab objects if tight on memory
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 12:50:51 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52D79D6B.10304@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140115145327.6aae2e13a9a8bba619923ac9@linux-foundation.org>

On 01/16/2014 02:53 AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:55:11 +0400 Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@parallels.com> wrote:
>
>>> We could avoid the "scan 32 then scan just 1" issue with something like
>>>
>>> 	if (total_scan > batch_size)
>>> 		total_scan %= batch_size;
>>>
>>> before the loop.  But I expect the effects of that will be unmeasurable
>>> - on average the number of objects which are scanned in the final pass
>>> of the loop will be batch_size/2, yes?  That's still a decent amount.
>> Let me try to summarize. We want to scan batch_size objects in one pass,
>> not more (to keep latency low) and not less (to avoid cpu cache
>> pollution due to too frequent calls); if the calculated value of
>> nr_to_scan is less than the batch_size we should accumulate it in
>> nr_deferred instead of calling ->scan() and add nr_deferred to
>> nr_to_scan on the next pass, i.e. in pseudo-code:
>>
>>     /* calculate current nr_to_scan */
>>     max_pass = shrinker->count();
>>     delta = max_pass * nr_user_pages_scanned / nr_user_pages;
>>
>>     /* add nr_deferred */
>>     total_scan = delta + nr_deferred;
>>
>>     while (total_scan >= batch_size) {
>>         shrinker->scan(batch_size);
>>         total_scan -= batch_size;
>>     }
>>
>>     /* save the remainder to nr_deferred  */
>>     nr_deferred = total_scan;
>>
>> That would work, but if max_pass is < batch_size, it would not scan the
>> objects immediately even if prio is high (we want to scan all objects).
> Yes, that's a problem.
>
>> For example, dropping caches would not work on the first attempt - the
>> user would have to call it batch_size / max_pass times.
> And we do want drop_caches to work immediately.
>
>> This could be
>> fixed by making the code proceed to ->scan() not only if total_scan is
>>> = batch_size, but also if max_pass is < batch_size and total_scan is >=
>> max_pass, i.e.
>>
>>     while (total_scan >= batch_size ||
>>             (max_pass < batch_size && total_scan >= max_pass)) ...
>>
>> which is equivalent to
>>
>>     while (total_scan >= batch_size ||
>>                 total_scan >= max_pass) ...
>>
>> The latter is the loop condition from the current patch, i.e. this patch
>> would make the trick if shrink_slab() followed the pseudo-code above. In
>> real life, it does not actually - we have to bias total_scan before the
>> while loop in order to avoid dropping fs meta caches on light memory
>> pressure due to a large number being built in nr_deferred:
>>
>>     if (delta < max_pass / 4)
>>         total_scan = min(total_scan, max_pass / 2);
> Oh, is that what's it's for.  Where did you discover this gem?

      reply	other threads:[~2014-01-16  8:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-11 12:36 Vladimir Davydov
2014-01-11 12:36 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm: vmscan: call NUMA-unaware shrinkers irrespective of nodemask Vladimir Davydov
2014-01-11 12:36 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: vmscan: respect NUMA policy mask when shrinking slab on direct reclaim Vladimir Davydov
2014-01-13 23:11   ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-14  6:56     ` Vladimir Davydov
2014-01-11 12:36 ` [PATCH 4/5] mm: vmscan: move call to shrink_slab() to shrink_zones() Vladimir Davydov
2014-01-13 23:13   ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-14  6:53     ` Vladimir Davydov
2014-01-11 12:36 ` [PATCH 5/5] mm: vmscan: remove shrink_control arg from do_try_to_free_pages() Vladimir Davydov
2014-01-13 23:05 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm: vmscan: shrink all slab objects if tight on memory Andrew Morton
2014-01-14  7:23   ` Vladimir Davydov
2014-01-14 22:14     ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-15  8:47       ` Vladimir Davydov
2014-01-15  9:25         ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-15 15:55           ` Vladimir Davydov
2014-01-15 22:53             ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-16  8:50               ` Vladimir Davydov [this message]

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