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It's actually quite consistent to have >>>>> that output >>>>> in smaps the way it is. You mapped a file at an offset, and it >>>>> behaves like >>>>> an anonymous mapping apart from that. >>>>> >>>>> Not sure if the buggy khugepaged thing is a good indicator to >>>>> warrant this >>>>> change. >>>> >>>> Yeah, this is a user-facing fundamental change that hides >>>> information and >>>> defies expectation so I mean - it's a no go really isn't it? >>>> >>>> I'd rather we _not_ make this anon though, because isn't life confusing >>>> enough David? I thought it was bad enough with 'anon, file and lol >>>> shmem' >>>> but 'lol lol also /dev/zero' is enough to make me want to frolick in >>>> the >>>> fields... >>> >>> I recall there are users that rely on this memory to get the shared >>> zeropage on reads etc (in comparison to shmem!), so I better not ... >>> mess with this *at all* :) >> >> Heh, and I recall reading something about odd behavior of /dev/zero >> and some interesting history [1]. >> >> " >> Unlike /dev/null, /dev/zero may be used as a source, not only as a >> sink for data. All write operations to /dev/zero succeed with no other >> effects. However, /dev/null is more commonly used for this purpose. >> >> When /dev/zero is memory-mapped, e.g., with mmap, to the virtual >> address space, it is equivalent to using anonymous memory; i.e. memory >> not connected to any file. >> " >> >> "equivalent to using anonymous memory" is interesting. > > For private mapping. Shared mapping is equivalent to shmem. "shared anonymous memory", yes. -- Cheers, David / dhildenb