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From: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Seth Jennings <sjenning@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Nathan Fontenot <nfont@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Cody P Schafer <cody@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] drivers: base: dynamic memory block creation
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:05:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <520BE30D.3070401@sr71.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130814194348.GB10469@kroah.com>

On 08/14/2013 12:43 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 02:31:45PM -0500, Seth Jennings wrote:
>> ppc64 has a normal memory block size of 256M (however sometimes as low
>> as 16M depending on the system LMB size), and (I think) x86 is 128M.  With
>> 1TB of RAM and a 256M block size, that's 4k memory blocks with 20 sysfs
>> entries per block that's around 80k items that need be created at boot
>> time in sysfs.  Some systems go up to 16TB where the issue is even more
>> severe.
> 
> The x86 developers are working with larger memory sizes and they haven't
> seen the problem in this area, for them it's in other places, as I
> referred to in my other email.

The SGI guys don't run normal distro kernels and don't turn on memory
hotplug, so they don't see this.  I do the same in my testing of
large-memory x86 systems to speed up my boots.  I'll go stick it back in
there and see if I can generate some numbers for a 1TB machine.

But, the problem on x86 is at _worst_ 1/8 of the problem on ppc64 since
the SECTION_SIZE is so 8x bigger by default.

Also, the cost of creating sections on ppc is *MUCH* higher than x86
when amortized across the number of pages that you're initializing.  A
section on ppc64 has to be created for each (2^24/2^16)=256 pages while
one on x86 is created for each (2^27/2^12)=32768 pages.

Thus, x86 folks with our small pages and large sections tend to be
focused on per-page costs.  The ppc folks with their small sections and
larger pages tend to be focused on the per-section costs.

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-14 20:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-14 19:31 Seth Jennings
2013-08-14 19:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-08-16 19:07   ` Seth Jennings
2013-08-14 19:43 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-08-14 20:05   ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2013-08-14 20:35     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-08-14 21:16       ` Seth Jennings
2013-08-14 21:37       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-14 21:52         ` Seth Jennings
2013-08-14 23:20           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-15  2:12           ` Michael Ellerman
2013-08-14 20:40 ` Nathan Fontenot
2013-08-14 20:47 ` Dave Hansen
2013-08-14 21:14   ` Seth Jennings
2013-08-14 21:36     ` Dave Hansen
2013-08-14 21:37     ` Cody P Schafer
2013-08-14 21:49       ` Dave Hansen
2013-08-15  0:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-08-16 18:41   ` Seth Jennings

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