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From: Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/3] memcg: Ignore soft limit until it is explicitly specified
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 02:10:44 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51644B94.9060004@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1365509595-665-3-git-send-email-mhocko@suse.cz>

(2013/04/09 21:13), Michal Hocko wrote:
> The soft limit has been traditionally initialized to RESOURCE_MAX
> which means that the group is soft unlimited by default. This was
> working more or less satisfactorily so far because the soft limit has
> been interpreted as a tool to hint memory reclaim which groups to
> reclaim first to free some memory so groups basically opted in for being
> reclaimed more.
> 
> While this feature might be really helpful it would be even nicer if
> the soft reclaim could be used as a certain working set protection -
> only groups over their soft limit are reclaimed as far as the reclaim
> is able to free memory. In order to accomplish this behavior we have to
> reconsider the default soft limit value because with the current default
> all groups would become soft unreclaimable and so the reclaim would have
> to fall back to ignoring soft reclaim altogether harming those groups
> that set up a limit as a protection against the reclaim. Changing the
> default soft limit to 0 wouldn't work either because all groups would
> become soft reclaimable as the parent's limit would overwrite all its
> children down the hierarchy.
> 
> This patch doesn't change the default soft limit value. Rather than that
> it distinguishes groups with the limit set by user by a per group flag.
> All groups are considered soft reclaimable regardless their limit until
> a limit is set. The default limit doesn't enforce reclaim down the
> hierarchy.
> 
> TODO: How do we present default unlimited vs. RESOURCE_MAX set by the
> user? One possible way could be returning -1 for RESOURCE_MAX && !soft_limited
> but this is a change in user interface. Although nothing explicitly says
> the value has to be greater > 0 I can imagine this could be PITA to use.
> 

Hmm..

Now, if a user sets soft_limit to a memcg, it will be a victim. All other
cgroups, which has default value, will be 2nd choice for memory reclaim.
When user sets RESOURCE_MAX, it will be 2nd choice, too.
In this case, soft-limit is for creating victims.

You want the another configuration that all cgroup must be 1st choice
with the default value and protect memcg which has some soft-limit value.
In this case, soft-limit is for protection.
i.e. an opposite policy.

How about allowing users to set root memcg's soft-limit (to be 0 ?) and
allow the new choice of protection before creating children memcgs ?
(I think you can make this default policy as CONFIG option or some...)
Users can choice  global soft-limit policy.
Complicated ?

Thanks,
-Kame

> Signed-off-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
> ---
>   mm/memcontrol.c |   22 ++++++++++++++++++----
>   1 file changed, 18 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/mm/memcontrol.c b/mm/memcontrol.c
> index 33424d8..043d760 100644
> --- a/mm/memcontrol.c
> +++ b/mm/memcontrol.c
> @@ -292,6 +292,10 @@ struct mem_cgroup {
>   	 * Should the accounting and control be hierarchical, per subtree?
>   	 */
>   	bool use_hierarchy;
> +	/*
> +	 * Is the group soft limited?
> +	 */
> +	bool soft_limited;
>   	unsigned long kmem_account_flags; /* See KMEM_ACCOUNTED_*, below */
>   
>   	bool		oom_lock;
> @@ -2062,14 +2066,15 @@ static bool mem_cgroup_reclaimable(struct mem_cgroup *memcg, bool noswap)
>   
>   /*
>    * A group is eligible for the soft limit reclaim if it is
> - * 	a) is over its soft limit
> - * 	b) any parent up the hierarchy is over its soft limit
> + * 	a) doesn't have any soft limit set
> + * 	b) is over its soft limit
> + * 	c) any parent up the hierarchy is over its soft limit
>    */
>   bool mem_cgroup_soft_reclaim_eligible(struct mem_cgroup *memcg)
>   {
>   	struct mem_cgroup *parent = memcg;
>   
> -	if (res_counter_soft_limit_excess(&memcg->res))
> +	if (!memcg->soft_limited || res_counter_soft_limit_excess(&memcg->res))
>   		return true;
>   
>   	/*
> @@ -2077,7 +2082,8 @@ bool mem_cgroup_soft_reclaim_eligible(struct mem_cgroup *memcg)
>   	 * have to obey and reclaim from this group as well.
>   	 */
>   	while((parent = parent_mem_cgroup(parent))) {
> -		if (res_counter_soft_limit_excess(&parent->res))
> +		if (memcg->soft_limited &&
> +				res_counter_soft_limit_excess(&parent->res))
>   			return true;
>   	}
>   
> @@ -5237,6 +5243,14 @@ static int mem_cgroup_write(struct cgroup *cont, struct cftype *cft,
>   			ret = res_counter_set_soft_limit(&memcg->res, val);
>   		else
>   			ret = -EINVAL;
> +
> +		/*
> +		 * We could disable soft_limited when we get RESOURCE_MAX but
> +		 * then we have a little problem to distinguish the default
> +		 * unlimited and limitted but never soft reclaimed groups.
> +		 */
> +		if (!ret)
> +			memcg->soft_limited = true;
>   		break;
>   	default:
>   		ret = -EINVAL; /* should be BUG() ? */
> 


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-09 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-09 12:13 [RFC 0/3] soft reclaim rework Michal Hocko
2013-04-09 12:13 ` [RFC 1/3] memcg: integrate soft reclaim tighter with zone shrinking code Michal Hocko
2013-04-09 13:08   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-04-09 13:31     ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-09 13:57   ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-09 14:22     ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-09 16:45   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2013-04-09 17:05     ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-14  0:42   ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-14 14:34     ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-14 14:55       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-04-14 15:04         ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-14 15:11           ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-14 18:03           ` Rik van Riel
2013-04-09 12:13 ` [RFC 2/3] memcg: Ignore soft limit until it is explicitly specified Michal Hocko
2013-04-09 13:24   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-04-09 13:42     ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-09 17:10   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki [this message]
2013-04-09 17:22     ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-09 12:13 ` [RFC 3/3] vmscan, memcg: Do softlimit reclaim also for targeted reclaim Michal Hocko
2013-04-22  2:14   ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-09 15:37 ` [RFC 0/3] soft reclaim rework Michal Hocko
2013-04-09 15:50   ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-11  8:43 ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-11  9:07   ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-11 13:04   ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-17 22:52 ` Ying Han

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