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In particular, because the patch description says "group all VMA-related files", and I am having a hard time to even identify *what* a "VMA-related" file is, really. For example, why not mempolicy.c->mbind()? Not that I would suggest that, because the file is filled with non-vma-related stuff. See below of what might make sense to me. > > But we have for quite some time now de facto been expected to maintain all > aspects of mapping, remapping, etc. INCLUDING page table considerations. > > We are more or less de facto maintaining all that (modulo madvise.c - I > grant you this is the odd one out). > > So you can imagine it's a bit frustrating, when that's the case, to be told > in effect - no this isn't for you - right? It isn't "VMA" group for me, independent of "who" is currently listed there. And maybe we now agree on that, maybe not. Talking about things that are frustrating: being called a "senior member of the kernel". :) > > For instance, as I said before, we have spent large parts of the 6.12 cycle > dealing with practical concerns specifically around page table > manipulation. > > Maintainership is more than setting up lei rules, obviously. One can set > lei rules for anything. It means that our say has more impact, and it also > means that we are (co-)responsible for the listed files, and that's acked > rather than disregarded. > > So, again, I politely disagree with your assessment re: page tables. > > I think their manipulation under circumstances where you > map/remap/mprotect/mlock is -inseparable- from memory mapping/VMA > logic. Otherwise, what's the point right? We'll likely have to agree to disagree. :) But again, my main point is that the VMA group is misleading. As a side note, I believe the code can be structures accordingly (call that separating it). mmap/munmap handling is the prime example right now for me. For example, I really enjoy how: munmap() (mmap.c) routes to __vm_munmap (vma.c) makes use of abstracted page table logic like free_pgtables() and unmap_vmas() (memory.c). This way it is clear what the rather high-level MM syscall implementation is (mmap.c), what the VMA handling is (vma.c) and what the abstracted page table handling logic is (memory.c). I don't think that page table handling code should be moved to either mmap.c or vma.c. I would enjoy if we would handle e.g., mprotect.c in a similar way, such that the helper like change_protection() -- again, used by completely mprotect()-unrelated code outside of mprotect.c -- would not reside in mprotect.c. But that code just evolved naturally after we kept reusing change_protection() outside of the file. Regarding mremap logic there once was a discussion about merging it with the uffdio_move logic, but not sure if that really makes sense. > > My suggestion is that: > > a. we put everything in MEMORY MAPPING > b. We drop mm/madvise.c from the list Sounds better, although I am still fuzzy on what is supposed to be in there and what not. See my mbind() example above .. I see how mmap/munmap/mprotect/mremap fall into the same category of MM syscalls that mainly affect the /proc/self/maps output (in contrast to a bunch of others). Which make sense to me to group in such a way. mseal.c and mlock.c likely as well. msync.c is a simple VMA walker ... not sure if it belongs in there, but who am I to tell. -- Cheers, David / dhildenb