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From: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/3] beat kswapd with the proverbial clue-bat
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:36:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <503530000.1094405791@[10.10.2.4]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409051021290.2331@ppc970.osdl.org>

>> Hmm, and the crowning argument for not stopping at order 3 is that if we
>> never use higher order allocations, nothing will care about their watermarks
>> anyway. I think I had myself confused when that question in the first place.
>> 
>> So yeah, stopping at a fixed number isn't required, and as you say it keeps
>> things general and special cases minimal.
> 
> Hey, please refute my "you need 20% free" to get even to order-3 for most
> cases first.
> 
> It's probably acceptable to have a _very_ backgrounded job that does
> freeing if order-3 isn't available, but it had better be pretty
> slow-moving, I suspect. On the order of "It's probably ok to try to aim
> for up to 25% free 'overnight' if the machine is idle" but it's almost
> certainly not ok to aggressively push things out to that degree..

IIRC, the way we free pages is basically random shootdown. We don't even 
attempt to free pages in a contiguous block, so it's unsuprising it doesn't
work. Now we have rmap, we should be able to walk through a block, see if
everything in it looks swappable, and then try to shoot it down. If not,
move onto the next one. I think that'd be a damned sight more likely
to free things up for higher order allocs if they do happen.

M.

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-05 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-05  5:44 Nick Piggin
2004-09-05  5:45 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] account free buddy areas Nick Piggin
2004-09-05  5:46   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] alloc-order watermarks Nick Piggin
2004-09-05  5:47     ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] teach kswapd about watermarks Nick Piggin
2004-09-05  6:04       ` David S. Miller
2004-09-05  6:20         ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-05  5:50     ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] alloc-order watermarks Nick Piggin
2004-09-05  6:13   ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] account free buddy areas Nick Piggin
2004-09-05  6:02 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] beat kswapd with the proverbial clue-bat David S. Miller
2004-09-05  6:16   ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-05 10:13     ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-05 17:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-09-05 17:36         ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2004-09-05 17:37         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-05 17:58           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-09-05 18:41             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-06  1:35             ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-15 13:27             ` Jörn Engel
2004-09-15 13:29               ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-15 13:34                 ` Jörn Engel
2004-09-15 13:39                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-15 14:18                     ` Jörn Engel
2004-09-06  1:09         ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-05  6:09 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-05  6:26   ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-05  6:27   ` Anton Blanchard
2004-09-05 10:09     ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-06  3:33       ` David S. Miller
2004-09-06  8:55         ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-05 16:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-09-06  0:54   ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-06  1:49     ` Nick Piggin

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