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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hughd@google.com
Cc: willy@infradead.org, wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com,
	ying.huang@intel.com, 21cnbao@gmail.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	shy828301@gmail.com, ziy@nvidia.com, ioworker0@gmail.com,
	da.gomez@samsung.com, p.raghav@samsung.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/6] add mTHP support for anonymous shmem
Date: Fri, 31 May 2024 13:13:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <502fb3df-b42b-4f0c-a98d-348c3d544721@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <db3517d0-54b1-4d3a-b798-1c13572d07be@linux.alibaba.com>

>>
>> As a default, we should not be using large folios / mTHP for any shmem,
>> just like we did with THP via shmem_enabled. This is what this series
>> currently does, and is aprt of the whole mTHP user-space interface design.
>>
>> Further, the mTHP controls should control all of shmem, not only
>> "anonymous shmem".
> 
> Yes, that's what I thought and in my TODO list.

Good, it would be helpful to coordinate with Daniel and Pankaj.

> 
>>
>> Also, we should properly fallback within the configured sizes, and not
>> jump "over" configured sizes. Unless there is a good reason.
>>
>> (3) khugepaged
>>
>> khugepaged needs to handle larger folios properly as well. Until fixed,
>> using smaller THP sizes as fallback might prohibit collapsing a
>> PMD-sized THP later. But really, khugepaged needs to be fixed to handle
>> that. >
>> (4) force/disable
>>
>> These settings are rather testing artifacts from the old ages. We should
>> not add them to the per-size toggles. We might "inherit" it from the
>> global one, though.
> 
> Sorry, I missed this. So I thould remove the 'force' and 'deny' option
> for each mTHP, right?

Yes, that's my understanding. But we have to keep them on the top level 
for any possible user out there.

> 
>>
>> "within_size" might have value, and especially for consistency, we
>> should have them per size.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, this series only tackles anonymous shmem, which is a good starting
>> point. Ideally, we'd get support for other shmem (especially during
>> fault time) soon afterwards, because we won't be adding separate toggles
>> for that from the interface POV, and having inconsistent behavior
>> between kernel versions would be a bit unfortunate.
>>
>>
>> @Baolin, this series likely does not consider (4) yet. And I suggest we
>> have to take a lot of the "anonymous thp" terminology out of this
>> series, especially when it comes to documentation.
> 
> Sure. I will remove the "anonymous thp" terminology from the
> documentation, but want to still keep it in the commit message, cause I
> want to start from the anonymous shmem.

For commit message and friends makes sense. The story should be 
"controls all of shmem/tmpfs, but support will be added iteratively. The 
first step is anonymous shmem."

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-31 11:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-30  2:04 Baolin Wang
2024-05-30  2:04 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] mm: memory: extend finish_fault() to support large folio Baolin Wang
2024-06-03  4:44   ` Lance Yang
2024-06-03  8:04     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-03  5:28   ` Barry Song
2024-06-03  8:29     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-03  8:58       ` Barry Song
2024-06-03  9:01         ` Barry Song
2024-06-03  9:37           ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-30  2:04 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] mm: shmem: add THP validation for PMD-mapped THP related statistics Baolin Wang
2024-05-30  2:04 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] mm: shmem: add multi-size THP sysfs interface for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-06-01  3:29   ` wang wei
2024-06-02  4:36     ` [PATCH " Baolin Wang
2024-05-30  2:04 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP support " Baolin Wang
2024-05-30  6:36   ` kernel test robot
2024-06-02  4:16     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-04  9:23   ` Dan Carpenter
2024-06-04  9:46     ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-30  2:04 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP size alignment in shmem_get_unmapped_area Baolin Wang
2024-05-30  2:04 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP counters for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-05-31  9:35 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] add mTHP support " David Hildenbrand
2024-05-31 10:13   ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-31 11:13     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-06-02  4:15       ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-04  8:18       ` Daniel Gomez
2024-06-04  9:45         ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-04 12:05           ` Daniel Gomez
2024-06-06  3:31             ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-06  8:38               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-06  9:31                 ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-07  9:05                 ` Daniel Gomez
2024-06-07 10:39                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-01  3:54     ` wang wei
2024-05-31 13:19   ` Daniel Gomez
2024-05-31 14:43     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-04  9:29       ` Daniel Gomez
2024-06-04  9:59         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-04 12:30           ` Daniel Gomez

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