From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, hughd@google.com
Cc: willy@infradead.org, wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com,
ying.huang@intel.com, 21cnbao@gmail.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
shy828301@gmail.com, ziy@nvidia.com, ioworker0@gmail.com,
da.gomez@samsung.com, p.raghav@samsung.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/6] add mTHP support for anonymous shmem
Date: Fri, 31 May 2024 13:13:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <502fb3df-b42b-4f0c-a98d-348c3d544721@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <db3517d0-54b1-4d3a-b798-1c13572d07be@linux.alibaba.com>
>>
>> As a default, we should not be using large folios / mTHP for any shmem,
>> just like we did with THP via shmem_enabled. This is what this series
>> currently does, and is aprt of the whole mTHP user-space interface design.
>>
>> Further, the mTHP controls should control all of shmem, not only
>> "anonymous shmem".
>
> Yes, that's what I thought and in my TODO list.
Good, it would be helpful to coordinate with Daniel and Pankaj.
>
>>
>> Also, we should properly fallback within the configured sizes, and not
>> jump "over" configured sizes. Unless there is a good reason.
>>
>> (3) khugepaged
>>
>> khugepaged needs to handle larger folios properly as well. Until fixed,
>> using smaller THP sizes as fallback might prohibit collapsing a
>> PMD-sized THP later. But really, khugepaged needs to be fixed to handle
>> that. >
>> (4) force/disable
>>
>> These settings are rather testing artifacts from the old ages. We should
>> not add them to the per-size toggles. We might "inherit" it from the
>> global one, though.
>
> Sorry, I missed this. So I thould remove the 'force' and 'deny' option
> for each mTHP, right?
Yes, that's my understanding. But we have to keep them on the top level
for any possible user out there.
>
>>
>> "within_size" might have value, and especially for consistency, we
>> should have them per size.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, this series only tackles anonymous shmem, which is a good starting
>> point. Ideally, we'd get support for other shmem (especially during
>> fault time) soon afterwards, because we won't be adding separate toggles
>> for that from the interface POV, and having inconsistent behavior
>> between kernel versions would be a bit unfortunate.
>>
>>
>> @Baolin, this series likely does not consider (4) yet. And I suggest we
>> have to take a lot of the "anonymous thp" terminology out of this
>> series, especially when it comes to documentation.
>
> Sure. I will remove the "anonymous thp" terminology from the
> documentation, but want to still keep it in the commit message, cause I
> want to start from the anonymous shmem.
For commit message and friends makes sense. The story should be
"controls all of shmem/tmpfs, but support will be added iteratively. The
first step is anonymous shmem."
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-31 11:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-30 2:04 Baolin Wang
2024-05-30 2:04 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] mm: memory: extend finish_fault() to support large folio Baolin Wang
2024-06-03 4:44 ` Lance Yang
2024-06-03 8:04 ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-03 5:28 ` Barry Song
2024-06-03 8:29 ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-03 8:58 ` Barry Song
2024-06-03 9:01 ` Barry Song
2024-06-03 9:37 ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-30 2:04 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] mm: shmem: add THP validation for PMD-mapped THP related statistics Baolin Wang
2024-05-30 2:04 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] mm: shmem: add multi-size THP sysfs interface for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-06-01 3:29 ` wang wei
2024-06-02 4:36 ` [PATCH " Baolin Wang
2024-05-30 2:04 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP support " Baolin Wang
2024-05-30 6:36 ` kernel test robot
2024-06-02 4:16 ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-04 9:23 ` Dan Carpenter
2024-06-04 9:46 ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-30 2:04 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP size alignment in shmem_get_unmapped_area Baolin Wang
2024-05-30 2:04 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] mm: shmem: add mTHP counters for anonymous shmem Baolin Wang
2024-05-31 9:35 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] add mTHP support " David Hildenbrand
2024-05-31 10:13 ` Baolin Wang
2024-05-31 11:13 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-06-02 4:15 ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-04 8:18 ` Daniel Gomez
2024-06-04 9:45 ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-04 12:05 ` Daniel Gomez
2024-06-06 3:31 ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-06 8:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-06 9:31 ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-07 9:05 ` Daniel Gomez
2024-06-07 10:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-01 3:54 ` wang wei
2024-05-31 13:19 ` Daniel Gomez
2024-05-31 14:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-04 9:29 ` Daniel Gomez
2024-06-04 9:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-04 12:30 ` Daniel Gomez
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