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Peter Anvin" , Arnd Bergmann , Andrew Morton , Ira Weiny , linux-arch References: <20201014195823.GC18196@zn.tnic> <22E29783-F1F5-43DA-B35F-D75FB247475D@amacapital.net> From: Ankur Arora Message-ID: <50286c32-2869-cbd5-b178-0ad0c13584ea@oracle.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:21:57 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22E29783-F1F5-43DA-B35F-D75FB247475D@amacapital.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9774 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010150024 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9774 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1011 spamscore=0 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010150024 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On 2020-10-14 2:07 p.m., Andy Lutomirski wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 14, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Borislav Petkov wrote: >> >> =EF=BB=BFOn Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 08:45:37AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wro= te: >>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:33 AM Ankur Arora wrote: >>>> >>>> Define clear_page_uncached() as an alternative_call() to clear_page_= nt() >>>> if the CPU sets X86_FEATURE_NT_GOOD and fallback to clear_page() if = it >>>> doesn't. >>>> >>>> Similarly define clear_page_uncached_flush() which provides an SFENC= E >>>> if the CPU sets X86_FEATURE_NT_GOOD. >>> >>> As long as you keep "NT" or "MOVNTI" in the names and keep functions >>> in arch/x86, I think it's reasonable to expect that callers understan= d >>> that MOVNTI has bizarre memory ordering rules. But once you give >>> something a generic name like "clear_page_uncached" and stick it in >>> generic code, I think the semantics should be more obvious. >> >> Why does it have to be a separate call? Why isn't it behind the >> clear_page() alternative machinery so that the proper function is >> selected at boot? IOW, why does a user of clear_page functionality nee= d >> to know at all about an "uncached" variant? > > I assume it=E2=80=99s for a little optimization of clearing more than o= ne page > per SFENCE. > > In any event, based on the benchmark data upthread, we only want to do > NT clears when they=E2=80=99re rather large, so this shouldn=E2=80=99t = be just an > alternative. I assume this is because a page or two will fit in cache > and, for most uses that allocate zeroed pages, we prefer cache-hot > pages. When clearing 1G, on the other hand, cache-hot is impossible > and we prefer the improved bandwidth and less cache trashing of NT > clears. Also, if we did extend clear_page() to take the page-size as parameter we still might not have enough information (ex. a 4K or a 2MB page that clear_page() sees could be part of a GUP of a much larger extent) to decide whether to go uncached or not. > Perhaps SFENCE is so fast that this is a silly optimization, though, > and we don=E2=80=99t lose anything measurable by SFENCEing once per pag= e. Alas, no. I tried that and dropped about 15% performance on Rome. Thanks Ankur