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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: replace exec_folio_order() with generic preferred_exec_order()
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2026 17:21:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4pzoddjdplps6wzf7hluwjg7jty7tmrwkq5jk7qzer4kur5o4q@7ge6uatpmkex> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0ce07bc5-6365-4c54-90e2-4e56ad2b7465@linux.dev>

On Thu 26-03-26 08:40:21, Usama Arif wrote:
> On 20/03/2026 17:42, Jan Kara wrote:
> >> +	/* Step down under memory pressure */
> >> +	gfp = mapping_gfp_mask(vma->vm_file->f_mapping);
> >> +	zone = first_zones_zonelist(node_zonelist(numa_node_id(), gfp),
> >> +				    gfp_zone(gfp), NULL)->zone;
> >> +	if (zone) {
> >> +		while (order > 0 &&
> >> +		       !zone_watermark_ok(zone, order,
> >> +					  high_wmark_pages(zone), 0, 0))
> >> +			order--;
> >> +	}
> > 
> > It looks wrong for this logic to be here. Trimming order based on memory
> > pressure makes sense (and we've already got reports that on memory limited
> > devices large order folios in the page cache have too big memory overhead
> > so we'll likely need to handle that for page cache allocations in general)
> > but IMHO it belongs to page_cache_ra_order() or some other common place
> > like that.
> > 
> > 								Honza
> 
> So I have been thinking about this. readahead_gfp_mask() already sets
> __GFP_NORETRY, so we wont try aggressive reclaim/compaction to satisfy
> the allocation. page_cache_ra_order() falls through to the fallback path
> faulting in order 0 page when allocation is not satsified.
> 
> So the allocator already naturally steps down under memory pressure,
> the explicit zone_watermark_ok() loop might be redundant?

Probably yes. I still think we'll have to somehow better tweak the used
order based on expected size of the page cache (2M folios seem unreasonably
large for a machine that has e.g. 1G of memory in total, even if it has
enough free memory at this point in time - we'll benefit from smaller
folios and thus finer grained folio activity tracking for such cases). But
that's not for this patch set.

> What are your thoughts on just setting
> ra->order = min(HPAGE_PMD_ORDER, ilog2(SZ_2M >> PAGE_SHIFT))?
> We can do the higher orlder allocation with gfp &= ~__GFP_RECLAIM
> for the VM_EXEC case.

Yes, it's simple and it makes sense to me so if others are fine with it...

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-26 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-20 13:58 [PATCH v2 0/4] mm: improve large folio readahead and alignment for exec memory Usama Arif
2026-03-20 13:58 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: bypass mmap_miss heuristic for VM_EXEC readahead Usama Arif
2026-03-20 14:18   ` Jan Kara
2026-03-20 14:26   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-20 13:58 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: replace exec_folio_order() with generic preferred_exec_order() Usama Arif
2026-03-20 14:41   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-20 14:42   ` Jan Kara
2026-03-26 12:40     ` Usama Arif
2026-03-26 16:21       ` Jan Kara [this message]
2026-03-20 13:58 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] elf: align ET_DYN base to max folio size for PTE coalescing Usama Arif
2026-03-20 14:55   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-20 15:58   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-27 16:51     ` Usama Arif
2026-03-20 16:05   ` WANG Rui
2026-03-20 17:47     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-27 16:53     ` Usama Arif
2026-03-29  4:37       ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 12:56         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-30 14:00           ` Usama Arif
2026-03-20 13:58 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] mm: align file-backed mmap to max folio order in thp_get_unmapped_area Usama Arif
2026-03-20 15:06   ` Kiryl Shutsemau

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