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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 mm-new 07/15] khugepaged: generalize collapse_huge_page for mTHP collapse
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 09:18:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4cdec7ba-373b-455a-b1d3-330246e8b2c8@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1c05c28a-a4f7-4562-8799-6f08a03bd3eb@arm.com>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 08:39:03AM +0530, Dev Jain wrote:
> > ----------[snip]------------

PLease when you snip can you not snip way the code being referenced?
That's really unhelpful and now this sub-thread loses a ton of context...

> >
> > > +
> > > +		spin_lock(pmd_ptl);
> > We're duplicating this in both branches, why not do outside if/else?
> >
> > > +		WARN_ON_ONCE(!pmd_none(*pmd));
> > Hmm so the PMD entry will still always be empty on mTHP collapse? Surely we
> > could be collapsing more than one mTHP into an existing PTE table no? I may
> > be missing something here/confused :)
>
> After this code path isolates the PTE table, we don't want any other code path
> doing "Hey, I see an empty PMD, let's install a PTE table here". One of the
> reasons why all the heavy locking is required here.

That wasn't the question, the question was why are not able to install mTHP
entries in an existing PTE table.

I'm obviously aware that we need to lock here.

>
> Also, I want to ask a question about WARN vs BUG_ON: suppose that the
> race I described above occurs. After khugepaged isolates the PTE table, someone
> faults in a PTE table there, and eventually writes data in the underlying folios.
> Then the buggy khugepaged nukes out that table and installs a new one, installing
> an mTHP folio which had old data. How do we decide whether such a condition is
> worthy of a BUG_ON (leading to system crash) vs letting this pass with WARN?

To all intents and purposes just use a WARN_ON(). A BUG_ON() is almost
never right. This has been done to death.

Probably the WARN_ON() should be a VM_WARN_ON_ONCE() because this is
something that should simply not be happening in practice.

Or can make if (WARN_ON_ONCE(...)) abort, but then we complicate already
very complciated code.

>
>
> >
> > ------------[snip]----------
> >

Thanks, Lorenzo


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-07  9:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-22 18:37 [PATCH v12 mm-new 00/15] khugepaged: mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 01/15] khugepaged: rename hpage_collapse_* to collapse_* Nico Pache
2025-11-08  1:42   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 02/15] introduce collapse_single_pmd to unify khugepaged and madvise_collapse Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:00   ` Lance Yang
2025-10-27 15:44   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-08  1:44   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 03/15] khugepaged: generalize hugepage_vma_revalidate for mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:02   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-08  1:54   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 04/15] khugepaged: generalize alloc_charge_folio() Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:05   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-08  2:34   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 05/15] khugepaged: generalize __collapse_huge_page_* for mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:17   ` Lance Yang
2025-10-27 16:00   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-10 13:20     ` Nico Pache
2025-11-08  3:01   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 06/15] khugepaged: introduce collapse_max_ptes_none helper function Nico Pache
2025-10-27 17:53   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 10:09     ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-28 13:57       ` Nico Pache
2025-10-28 17:07       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 17:56         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 18:09           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 18:17             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 18:41               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 15:04                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-29 18:41                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 21:10                     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-30 18:03                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 20:45                   ` Nico Pache
2025-10-28 13:36     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-28 14:15       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 17:29         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 17:36           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 18:08           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 18:59             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 19:08               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29  2:09               ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-29  2:49                 ` Nico Pache
2025-10-29 18:55                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 21:14                   ` Nico Pache
2025-10-30  1:15                     ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-29  2:47               ` Nico Pache
2025-10-29 18:58                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 21:23                   ` Nico Pache
2025-10-30 10:15                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-31 11:12               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 16:57       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 17:49         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 17:59           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 07/15] khugepaged: generalize collapse_huge_page for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2025-10-27  3:25   ` Baolin Wang
2025-11-06 18:14   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07  3:09     ` Dev Jain
2025-11-07  9:18       ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-11-07 19:33     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 08/15] khugepaged: skip collapsing mTHP to smaller orders Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 09/15] khugepaged: add per-order mTHP collapse failure statistics Nico Pache
2025-11-06 18:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07 17:14     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 10/15] khugepaged: improve tracepoints for mTHP orders Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 11/15] khugepaged: introduce collapse_allowable_orders helper function Nico Pache
2025-11-06 18:49   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07 18:01     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 12/15] khugepaged: Introduce mTHP collapse support Nico Pache
2025-10-27  6:28   ` Baolin Wang
2025-11-09  2:08   ` Wei Yang
2025-11-11 21:56     ` Nico Pache
2025-11-19 11:53   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-19 12:08     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-20 22:32     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 13/15] khugepaged: avoid unnecessary mTHP collapse attempts Nico Pache
2025-11-09  2:40   ` Wei Yang
2025-11-17 18:16     ` Nico Pache
2025-11-18  2:00       ` Wei Yang
2025-11-19 12:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-26 23:16     ` Nico Pache
2025-11-26 23:29     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 14/15] khugepaged: run khugepaged for all orders Nico Pache
2025-11-19 12:13   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-20  6:37     ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 15/15] Documentation: mm: update the admin guide for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2025-10-22 19:52   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-10-22 20:22     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23  8:00       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-23  8:44         ` Pedro Falcato
2025-10-24 13:54           ` Zach O'Keefe
2025-10-23 23:41       ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-10-22 20:13 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 00/15] khugepaged: mTHP support Andrew Morton

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