From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>,
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Mark Rutland <Mark.Rutland@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: introduce local state for lazy_mmu sections
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 20:14:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4aa28016-5678-4c66-8104-8dcc3fa2f5ce@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4b4971fd-0445-4d86-8f3a-6ba3d68d15b7@arm.com>
>>> On the other hand, with a pagefault_disabled-like approach, there is no
>>> way to instruct call {3} to fully exit lazy_mmu regardless of the
>>> nesting level.
>>
>> Sure there is, with a better API. See below. :)
>
> I meant while keeping the existing shape of the API but yes fair enough!
Time to do it properly I guess :)
[...]
>> Assume we store in the task_struct
>>
>> uint8_t lazy_mmu_enabled_count;
>> bool lazy_mmu_paused;
>
> I didn't think of that approach! I can't immediately see any problem
> with it, assuming we're fine with storing arch-specific context in
> thread_struct (which seems to be the case as things stand).
Right, just to complete the picture:
a) We will have some CONFIG_ARCH_LAZY_MMU
b) Without that config, all lazy_mmu_*() functions are a nop and no
lazy_mmu_state is stored in task_struct
struct lazy_mmu_state {
uint8_t enabled_count;
bool paused;
}
c) With that config, common-code lazy_mmu_*() functions implement the
updating of the lazy_mmu_state in task_struct and call into arch code
on the transition from 0->1, 1->0 etc.
Maybe that can be done through exiting
arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode()/arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode() callbacks, maybe
we need more. I feel like
we might be able to implement that through the existing helpers.
>
>>
>> We can do things like
>>
>> a) Sanity check that while we are paused that we get no more
>> enable/disable requests
>> b) Sanity check that while we are paused that we get no more pause
>> requests.
>
> These are good points - and this is only possible with such global
> state. (Similarly we can check that the counter never underflows.)
Exactly.
[..]
>
> Overall what you're proposing seems sensible to me, the additional
> fields in task_struct don't take much space and we can keep the API
> unchanged in most cases. It is also good to have the option to check
> that the API is used correctly. I'll reply to the cover letter to let
> anyone who didn't follow this thread chip in, before I go ahead and try
> out that new approach.
And on top of the proposal above we will have some
struct arch_lazy_mmu_state;
define by the architecture (could be an empty struct on most).
We can store that inside "struct lazy_mmu_state;" or if we ever have to,
start returning only that from the enable/disable etc. functions.
For now, I'd say just store it in the task struct in the lazy_mmu_state.
But we can always adjust later if required.
In the first (this) series we probably don't even have to introduce
arch_lazy_mmu_state.
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-11 18:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-08 7:39 [PATCH v2 0/7] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] mm: remove arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:29 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-09 9:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: introduce local state for lazy_mmu sections Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:30 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-09 5:40 ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-09 9:05 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 9:07 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 9:40 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-09 10:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 11:45 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-09 11:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 13:49 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:02 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-10 15:16 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-10 15:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-11 16:19 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-11 18:14 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-09-12 7:26 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 8:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 8:48 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 8:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 12:37 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 12:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 12:56 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 13:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 14:05 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 14:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 15:02 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:38 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-10 16:11 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-11 12:06 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-11 16:20 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 10:57 ` Juergen Gross
2025-09-09 14:15 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 10:08 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] arm64: mm: fully support nested " Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:30 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] x86/xen: support nested lazy_mmu sections (again) Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 9:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 9:37 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-09 9:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 11:28 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 9:42 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] powerpc/mm: support nested lazy_mmu sections Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] mm: update lazy_mmu documentation Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:30 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-08 16:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-09 9:10 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 2:16 ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-09 9:21 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 13:59 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 15:25 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-15 6:28 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-15 11:19 ` Kevin Brodsky
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