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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andreas Larsson <andreas@gaisler.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
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	Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>,
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	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	Mark Rutland <Mark.Rutland@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: introduce local state for lazy_mmu sections
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 20:14:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4aa28016-5678-4c66-8104-8dcc3fa2f5ce@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4b4971fd-0445-4d86-8f3a-6ba3d68d15b7@arm.com>

>>> On the other hand, with a pagefault_disabled-like approach, there is no
>>> way to instruct call {3} to fully exit lazy_mmu regardless of the
>>> nesting level.
>>
>> Sure there is, with a better API. See below. :)
> 
> I meant while keeping the existing shape of the API but yes fair enough!

Time to do it properly I guess :)

[...]

>> Assume we store in the task_struct
>>
>> uint8_t lazy_mmu_enabled_count;
>> bool lazy_mmu_paused;
> 
> I didn't think of that approach! I can't immediately see any problem
> with it, assuming we're fine with storing arch-specific context in
> thread_struct (which seems to be the case as things stand).

Right, just to complete the picture:

a) We will have some CONFIG_ARCH_LAZY_MMU

b) Without that config, all lazy_mmu_*() functions are a nop and no 
lazy_mmu_state is stored in task_struct

struct lazy_mmu_state {
	uint8_t enabled_count;
	bool paused;
}

c) With that config, common-code lazy_mmu_*() functions implement the 
updating of the lazy_mmu_state in task_struct and call into arch code
on the transition from 0->1, 1->0 etc.

Maybe that can be done through exiting 
arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode()/arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode() callbacks, maybe 
we need more. I feel like
we might be able to implement that through the existing helpers.

> 
>>
>> We can do things like
>>
>> a) Sanity check that while we are paused that we get no more
>> enable/disable requests
>> b) Sanity check that while we are paused that we get no more pause
>> requests.
> 
> These are good points - and this is only possible with such global
> state. (Similarly we can check that the counter never underflows.)

Exactly.

[..]

> 
> Overall what you're proposing seems sensible to me, the additional
> fields in task_struct don't take much space and we can keep the API
> unchanged in most cases. It is also good to have the option to check
> that the API is used correctly. I'll reply to the cover letter to let
> anyone who didn't follow this thread chip in, before I go ahead and try
> out that new approach.

And on top of the proposal above we will have some

struct arch_lazy_mmu_state;

define by the architecture (could be an empty struct on most).

We can store that inside "struct lazy_mmu_state;" or if we ever have to, 
start returning only that from the enable/disable etc. functions.

For now, I'd say just store it in the task struct in the lazy_mmu_state. 
But we can always adjust later if required.

In the first (this) series we probably don't even have to introduce 
arch_lazy_mmu_state.

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-11 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-08  7:39 [PATCH v2 0/7] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] mm: remove arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  9:29   ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-09  9:00   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: introduce local state for lazy_mmu sections Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  9:30   ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-09  5:40   ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-09  9:05     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09  9:07   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09  9:40     ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-09 10:09       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 11:45         ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-09 11:54           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 13:49             ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:02               ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:28               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-10 15:16                 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-10 15:37                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-11 16:19                     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-11 18:14                       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-09-12  7:26                         ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12  8:04                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12  8:48                             ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12  8:55                               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 12:37                                 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 12:40                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 12:56                                     ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 13:02                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 14:05                                         ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 14:25                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 15:02                                             ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:38               ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-10 16:11                 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-11 12:06                   ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-11 16:20                     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 10:57     ` Juergen Gross
2025-09-09 14:15       ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 10:08   ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] arm64: mm: fully support nested " Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  9:30   ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] x86/xen: support nested lazy_mmu sections (again) Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09  9:13   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09  9:37     ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-09  9:56       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 11:28         ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09  9:42   ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] powerpc/mm: support nested lazy_mmu sections Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] mm: update lazy_mmu documentation Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  9:30   ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-08 16:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-09  9:10   ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09  2:16 ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-09  9:21   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 13:59     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 15:25     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-15  6:28       ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-15 11:19         ` Kevin Brodsky

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