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From: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	devel@openvz.org, Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 18/29] memcg: kmem controller charge/uncharge infrastructure
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:42:05 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FB34C3D.4030401@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FB1C61F.9020102@jp.fujitsu.com>

On 05/15/2012 06:57 AM, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
>> +#ifdef CONFIG_CGROUP_MEM_RES_CTLR_KMEM
>> >  +int memcg_charge_kmem(struct mem_cgroup *memcg, gfp_t gfp, s64 delta)
>> >  +{
>> >  +	struct res_counter *fail_res;
>> >  +	struct mem_cgroup *_memcg;
>> >  +	int may_oom, ret;
>> >  +	bool nofail = false;
>> >  +
>> >  +	may_oom = (gfp&  __GFP_WAIT)&&  (gfp&  __GFP_FS)&&
>> >  +	    !(gfp&  __GFP_NORETRY);
>> >  +
>> >  +	ret = 0;
>> >  +
>> >  +	if (!memcg)
>> >  +		return ret;
>> >  +
>> >  +	_memcg = memcg;
>> >  +	ret = __mem_cgroup_try_charge(NULL, gfp, delta / PAGE_SIZE,
>> >  +	&_memcg, may_oom);
>> >  +
>> >  +	if ((ret == -EINTR) || (ret&&  (gfp&  __GFP_NOFAIL)))  {
>> >  +		nofail = true;
>> >  +		/*
>> >  +		 * __mem_cgroup_try_charge() chose to bypass to root due
>> >  +		 * to OOM kill or fatal signal.
>> >  +		 * Since our only options are to either fail the
>> >  +		 * allocation or charge it to this cgroup, force the
>> >  +		 * change, going above the limit if needed.
>> >  +		 */
>> >  +		res_counter_charge_nofail(&memcg->res, delta,&fail_res);
>> >  +		if (do_swap_account)
>> >  +			res_counter_charge_nofail(&memcg->memsw, delta,
>> >  +						&fail_res);
>> >  +	} else if (ret == -ENOMEM)
>> >  +		return ret;
>> >  +
>> >  +	if (nofail)
>> >  +		res_counter_charge_nofail(&memcg->kmem, delta,&fail_res);
>> >  +	else
>> >  +		ret = res_counter_charge(&memcg->kmem, delta,&fail_res);
> 
> Ouch, you allow usage>  limit ? It's BUG.
> 
> IMHO, if GFP_NOFAIL, memcg accounting should be skipped. Please
> 
> if (gfp_mask&  __GFP_NOFAIL)
> 	return 0;
> 
> Or avoid calling memcg_charge_kmem() you can do that as you do in patch 19/29,
> I guess you can use a trick like
> 
> == in 19/29
> +	if (!current->mm || atomic_read(&current->memcg_kmem_skip_account))
> +		return cachep;
> +
>   gfp |=  cachep->allocflags;
> ==
> 
> == change like this
>   gfp |= cachep->allocflags;
> 
>   if (!current->mm || current->memcg_kmem_skip_account || gfp&  __GFP_NOFAIL))
> ==
> 
> Is this difficult ?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Kame

Well, we disagree with that.
I actually voiced this earlier to Suleiman in the thread, but it is good
that you brought this up again - this is quite important.

I will repeat my rationale here, and if you still are not convinced,
tell me and I will be happy to switch over.

I believe that the whole reasoning behind this, is to have allocations
failing if we go over limit. If the allocation won't fail anyway, it
doesn't really matter who we charge this to.

However, if the allocation still came from a particular memcg, those
nofail allocation may prevent it to use more memory when a normal
allocation takes place.

Consider this:

limit = 4M
usage = 4M - 4k

If at this point the memcg hits a NOFAIL allocation worth 2 pages, by
the method I am using, the memcg will be at 4M + 4k after the
allocation. Charging it to the root memcg will leave it at 4M - 4k.

This means that to be able to allocate a page again, you need to free
two other pages, be it the 2 pages used by the GFP allocation or any
other. In other words: the memcg that originated the charge is held
accountable for it. If he says it can't fail for whatever reason, fine,
we respect that,  but we punish it later for other allocations.

Without that GFP_NOFAIL becomes just a nice way for people to bypass
those controls altogether, since after a ton of GFP_NOFAIL allocations,
normal allocations will still succeed.

The change you propose is totally doable. I just don't believe it should
be done.

But let me know where you stand.




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  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-16  6:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-11 17:44 [PATCH v2 00/29] kmem limitation for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 01/29] slab: dup name string Glauber Costa
2012-05-15 22:04   ` David Rientjes
2012-05-16  6:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 02/29] slub: fix slab_state for slub Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:51   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-15 21:55   ` David Rientjes
2012-05-16  6:10     ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-17 10:14     ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 03/29] memcg: Always free struct memcg through schedule_work() Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 04/29] slub: always get the cache from its page in kfree Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:53   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-11 17:57     ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 18:06       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-11 18:11         ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 18:17           ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-11 18:20             ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 18:32               ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-11 18:42                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 18:56                   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-11 18:58                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 19:09                       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-11 19:11                         ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 19:20                           ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-11 19:24                             ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 05/29] slab: rename gfpflags to allocflags Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:54   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-15 21:57   ` David Rientjes
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 06/29] memcg: Make it possible to use the stock for more than one page Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 07/29] memcg: Reclaim when more than one page needed Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 08/29] slab: use obj_size field of struct kmem_cache when not debugging Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 09/29] memcg: change defines to an enum Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 10/29] res_counter: don't force return value checking in res_counter_charge_nofail Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 11/29] cgroups: ability to stop res charge propagation on bounded ancestor Glauber Costa
2012-05-15  2:59   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-05-16  6:16     ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 12/29] kmem slab accounting basic infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 13/29] slab/slub: struct memcg_params Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 14/29] slub: consider a memcg parameter in kmem_create_cache Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 15/29] slab: pass memcg parameter to kmem_cache_create Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 16/29] slub: create duplicate cache Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 17/29] slab: " Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 18/29] memcg: kmem controller charge/uncharge infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-05-15  2:57   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-05-16  6:42     ` Glauber Costa [this message]
2012-05-16  8:18       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-05-16  8:25         ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-16  9:15           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 19/29] skip memcg kmem allocations in specified code regions Glauber Costa
2012-05-15  2:46   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-05-16  6:19     ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-16  7:55       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 20/29] slub: charge allocation to a memcg Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 21/29] slab: per-memcg accounting of slab caches Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 22/29] memcg: disable kmem code when not in use Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 23/29] memcg: destroy memcg caches Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 24/29] memcg/slub: shrink dead caches Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 25/29] memcg: Track all the memcg children of a kmem_cache Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 26/29] memcg: Per-memcg memory.kmem.slabinfo file Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 27/29] slub: create slabinfo file for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 28/29] slub: track all children of a kmem cache Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 17:44 ` [PATCH v2 29/29] Documentation: add documentation for slab tracker for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-05-11 18:05 ` [PATCH v2 00/29] kmem limitation " Glauber Costa

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