From: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Miao Xie <miaox@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] checkpatch: Warn on use of yield()
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:14:16 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F560DA8.5040302@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1331037942.11248.307.camel@twins>
On 03/06/2012 04:45 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-03-05 at 18:01 -0800, Joe Perches wrote:
>
>> +# check for use of yield()
>> + if ($line =~ /\byield\s*\(\s*\)/ {
>> + WARN("YIELD",
>> + "yield() is deprecated, consider cpu_relax()\n" . $herecurr);
>> + }
>
> Its not deprecated as such, its just a very dangerous and ill considered
> API.
>
> cpu_relax() is not a good substitute suggestion in that its still a busy
> wait and prone to much of the same problems.
>
> The case at hand was a life-lock due to expecting that yield() would run
> another process which it needed in order to complete. Yield() does not
> provide that guarantee.
>
> Looking at fs/ext4/mballoc.c, we have this gem:
>
>
> /*
> * Yield the CPU here so that we don't get soft lockup
> * in non preempt case.
> */
> yield();
>
> This is of course complete crap as well.. I suspect they want
> cond_resched() there. And:
>
> /* let others to free the space */
> yield();
>
> Like said, yield() doesn't guarantee anything like running anybody else,
> does it rely on that? Or is it optimistic?
>
> Another fun user:
>
> void tasklet_kill(struct tasklet_struct *t)
> {
> if (in_interrupt())
> printk("Attempt to kill tasklet from interrupt\n");
>
> while (test_and_set_bit(TASKLET_STATE_SCHED,&t->state)) {
> do {
> yield();
> } while (test_bit(TASKLET_STATE_SCHED,&t->state));
> }
> tasklet_unlock_wait(t);
> clear_bit(TASKLET_STATE_SCHED,&t->state);
> }
>
> The only reason that doesn't explode is because running tasklets is
> non-preemptible, However since they're non-preemptible they shouldn't
> run long and you might as well busy spin. If they can run long, yield()
> isn't your biggest problem.
>
> mm/memory_hotplug.c has two yield() calls in offline_pages() and I've no
> idea what they're trying to achieve.
>
> But really, yield() is basically _always_ the wrong thing. The right
> thing can be:
>
> cond_resched(); wait_event(); or something entirely different.
>
> So instead of suggesting an alternative, I would suggest thinking about
> the actual problem in order to avoid the non-thinking solutions the
> checkpatch brigade is so overly fond of :/
>
> Maybe something like:
>
> "yield() is dangerous and wrong, rework your code to not use it."
>
> That at least requires some sort of thinking and doesn't suggest blind
> substitution.
>
Can't we point people to some Documentation file that explains the
alternatives?
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-06 13:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-02 11:23 [PATCH] cpuset: mm: Remove memory barrier damage from the page allocator Mel Gorman
2012-03-02 16:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-02 17:43 ` Mel Gorman
2012-03-02 19:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-02 21:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 23:47 ` David Rientjes
2012-03-05 9:44 ` Mel Gorman
2012-03-06 23:31 ` David Rientjes
2012-03-05 9:35 ` Mel Gorman
2012-03-02 21:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-05 20:18 ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-06 2:01 ` [RFC PATCH] checkpatch: Warn on use of yield() Joe Perches
2012-03-06 12:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 13:14 ` Glauber Costa [this message]
2012-03-06 13:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 13:27 ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-06 17:41 ` Joe Perches
2012-03-06 17:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 18:00 ` Joe Perches
2012-03-06 18:17 ` Joe Perches
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