Re: [PATCH 0/7] memcg kernel memory tracking

[Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>]

>> As previously proposed, one has the option of keeping kernel memory
>> accounted separatedly, or together with the normal userspace memory.
>> However, this time I made the option to, in this later case, bill
>> the memory directly to memcg->res. It has the disadvantage that it becomes
>> complicated to know which memory came from user or kernel, but OTOH,
>> it does not create any overhead of drawing from multiple res_counters
>> at read time. (and if you want them to be joined, you probably don't care)
>
> It would be nice to still keep a kernel memory counter (that gets
> updated at the same time as memcg->res) even when the limits are not
> independent, because sometimes it's important to know how much kernel
> memory is being used by a cgroup.

Can you clarify in this "sometimes" ? The way I see it, we either always 
use two counters - as did in my original proposal - or use a single 
counter for this case. Keeping a separated counter and still billing to 
the user memory is the worst of both worlds to me, since you get the 
performance hit of updating two resource counters.

>> Kernel memory is never tracked for the root memory cgroup. This means
>> that a system where no memory cgroups exists other than the root, the
>> time cost of this implementation is a couple of branches in the slub
>> code - none of them in fast paths. At the moment, this works only
>> with the slub.
>>
>> At cgroup destruction, memory is billed to the parent. With no hierarchy,
>> this would mean the root memcg. But since we are not billing to that,
>> it simply ceases to be tracked.
>>
>> The caches that we want to be tracked need to explicit register into
>> the infrastructure.
>
> Why not track every cache unless otherwise specified? If you don't,
> you might end up polluting code all around the kernel to create
> per-cgroup caches.
>  From what I've seen, there are a fair amount of different caches that
> can end up using a significant amount of memory, and having to go
> around and explicitly mark each one doesn't seem like the right thing
> to do.
>
The registration code is quite simple, so I don't agree this is 
polluting code all around the kernel. It is just a couple of lines.

Of course, in an opt-out system, this count would be zero. So is it better?

Let's divide the caches in two groups: Ones that use shrinkers, and 
simple ones that won't do. I am assuming most of the ones we need to 
track use shrinkers somehow.

So if they do use a shrinker, it is very unlikely that the normal 
shrinkers will work without being memcg-aware. We then end up in a 
scenario in which we track memory, we create a bunch of new caches, but 
we can't really force reclaim on that cache. We then depend on luck to 
have the objects reclaimed from the root shrinker. Note that this is a 
problem that did not exist before: a dcache shrinker would shrink dcache 
objects and that's it, but we didn't have more than one cache with those 
objects.

So in this context, registering a cache explicitly is better IMHO, 
because what you are doing is telling: "I examined this cache, and I 
believe it will work okay with the memcg. It either does not need 
changes to the shrinker, or I made them already"

Also, everytime we create a new cache, we're wasting some memory, as we 
duplicate state. That is fine, since we're doing this to prevent the 
usage to explode.

But I am not sure it pays of in a lot of caches, even if they use a lot 
of pages: Like, quickly scanning slabinfo:

task_struct          512    570   5920    5    8 : tunables    0    0 
  0 : slabdata    114    114      0

Can only grow if # of processes grow. Likely to hit a limit on that first.

Acpi-Namespace      4348   5304     40  102    1 : tunables    0    0 
  0 : slabdata     52     52      0

I doubt we can take down a sane system by using this cache...

and so on and so forth.

What do you think?



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