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From: "Pádraig Brady" <P@draigBrady.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Colin King <colin.king@canonical.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] mm: vmscan: Correct check for kswapd sleeping in sleeping_prematurely
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:57:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E0B052C.7000500@draigBrady.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110628144900.b33412c6.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On 28/06/11 22:49, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:44:54 +0100
> Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> 
>> During allocator-intensive workloads, kswapd will be woken frequently
>> causing free memory to oscillate between the high and min watermark.
>> This is expected behaviour.
>>
>> A problem occurs if the highest zone is small.  balance_pgdat()
>> only considers unreclaimable zones when priority is DEF_PRIORITY
>> but sleeping_prematurely considers all zones. It's possible for this
>> sequence to occur
>>
>>   1. kswapd wakes up and enters balance_pgdat()
>>   2. At DEF_PRIORITY, marks highest zone unreclaimable
>>   3. At DEF_PRIORITY-1, ignores highest zone setting end_zone
>>   4. At DEF_PRIORITY-1, calls shrink_slab freeing memory from
>>         highest zone, clearing all_unreclaimable. Highest zone
>>         is still unbalanced
>>   5. kswapd returns and calls sleeping_prematurely
>>   6. sleeping_prematurely looks at *all* zones, not just the ones
>>      being considered by balance_pgdat. The highest small zone
>>      has all_unreclaimable cleared but but the zone is not
>>      balanced. all_zones_ok is false so kswapd stays awake
>>
>> This patch corrects the behaviour of sleeping_prematurely to check
>> the zones balance_pgdat() checked.
> 
> But kswapd is making progress: it's reclaiming slab.  Eventually that
> won't work any more and all_unreclaimable will not be cleared and the
> condition will fix itself up?
> 
> 
> 
> btw,
> 
> 	if (!sleeping_prematurely(...))
> 		sleep();
> 
> hurts my brain.  My brain would prefer
> 
> 	if (kswapd_should_sleep(...))
> 		sleep();
> 
> no?
> 
>> Reported-and-tested-by: Padraig Brady <P@draigBrady.com>
> 
> But what were the before-and-after observations?  I don't understand
> how this can cause a permanent cpuchew by kswapd.

Context:
  http://marc.info/?t=130865025500001&r=1&w=2
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=712019

Summary:

This will spin kswapd0 on my SNB laptop with 3GB RAM (with small normal zone):

    dd bs=1M count=3000 if=/dev/zero of=spin.test

Basically once a certain amount of data is cached,
kswapd0 will start spinning, until the data
is removed from cache (by `rm spin.test` for example).

cheers,
Padraig.

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-29 10:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-24 14:44 [PATCH 0/4] Stop kswapd consuming 100% CPU when highest zone is small Mel Gorman
2011-06-24 14:44 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm: vmscan: Correct check for kswapd sleeping in sleeping_prematurely Mel Gorman
2011-06-25 21:33   ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-27  6:10   ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-28 21:49   ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-29 10:57     ` Pádraig Brady [this message]
2011-06-30  9:39     ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-30  2:23   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-06-24 14:44 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm: vmscan: Do not apply pressure to slab if we are not applying pressure to zone Mel Gorman
2011-06-25 21:40   ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-28 23:38   ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-30  2:37   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-06-24 14:44 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: vmscan: Evaluate the watermarks against the correct classzone Mel Gorman
2011-06-25 21:42   ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-27  6:53   ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-28 12:52     ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-28 23:23       ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-28 23:23   ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-24 14:44 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: Only read new_classzone_idx from pgdat when reclaiming successfully Mel Gorman
2011-06-25 23:17   ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-30  9:05   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-06-30 10:19     ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-19 16:09   ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-20 10:48     ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-21 15:30       ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-21 16:07         ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-21 16:36           ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-21 17:01             ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-22  0:21               ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-22  7:42                 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-25 14:23 ` [PATCH 0/4] Stop kswapd consuming 100% CPU when highest zone is small Andrew Lutomirski
2011-07-21 15:37 ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-21 16:09   ` Mel Gorman
2011-07-21 16:24     ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-21 16:36       ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-07-21 16:42         ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-21 16:58           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-07-22  0:30             ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-22 13:21               ` Andrew Lutomirski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-06-24 13:43 Mel Gorman
2011-06-24 13:43 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm: vmscan: Correct check for kswapd sleeping in sleeping_prematurely Mel Gorman

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