From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: CAI Qian <caiqian@redhat.com>,
avagin@gmail.com, Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] oom: oom-killer don't use permillage of system-ram internally
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:30:29 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DCD0845.10409@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1105101632290.12477@chino.kir.corp.google.com>
(2011/05/11 8:40), David Rientjes wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2011, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>
>> CAI Qian reported his kernel did hang-up if he ran fork intensive
>> workload and then invoke oom-killer.
>>
>> The problem is, Current oom calculation uses 0-1000 normalized value
>> (The unit is a permillage of system-ram). Its low precision make
>> a lot of same oom score. IOW, in his case, all processes have<1
>> oom score and internal integral calculation round it to 1. Thus
>> oom-killer kill ineligible process. This regression is caused by
>> commit a63d83f427 (oom: badness heuristic rewrite).
>>
>> The solution is, the internal calculation just use number of pages
>> instead of permillage of system-ram. And convert it to permillage
>> value at displaying time.
>>
>> This patch doesn't change any ABI (included /proc/<pid>/oom_score_adj)
>> even though current logic has a lot of my dislike thing.
>>
>
> s/permillage/proportion/
>
> This is unacceptable, it does not allow users to tune oom_score_adj
> appropriately based on the scores exported by /proc/pid/oom_score to
> discount an amount of RAM from a thread's memory usage in systemwide,
> memory controller, cpuset, or mempolicy contexts. This is only possible
> because the oom score is normalized.
You misunderstand the code. The patch doesn't change oom_score.
The patch change fs/proc too.
>
> What would be acceptable would be to increase the granularity of the score
> to 10000 or 100000 to differentiate between threads using 0.01% or 0.001%
> of RAM from each other, respectively. The range of oom_score_adj would
> remain the same, however, and be multiplied by 10 or 100, respectively,
> when factored into the badness score baseline. I don't believe userspace
> cares to differentiate between more than 0.1% of available memory.
Currently, SGI buy 16TB memory. 16TB x 0.1% = 1.6GB. I don't think your
fork bomb process use bigger than 1.6GB. Thus your patch is unacceptable.
So, please read the code again. or run it.
> The other issue that this patch addresses is the bonus given to root
> processes. I agree that if a root process is using 4% of RAM that it
> should not be equal to all other threads using 1%. I do believe that a
> root process using 60% of RAM should be equal priority to a thread using
> 57%, however. Perhaps a compromise would be to give root processes a
> bonus of 1% for every 30% of RAM they consume?
I think you are talking about patch [4/4], right? patch [3/4] and [4/4]
are attacking another issue. big machine issue and root user issue.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-13 10:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-05 11:44 [PATCH] mm: check zone->all_unreclaimable in all_unreclaimable() Andrey Vagin
2011-03-05 15:20 ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-05 15:34 ` Andrew Vagin
2011-03-05 15:53 ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-05 16:41 ` Andrew Vagin
2011-03-05 17:07 ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-07 21:58 ` Andrew Morton
2011-03-07 23:45 ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-09 5:37 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-09 5:43 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-10 6:58 ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-10 23:58 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-11 0:18 ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-11 6:08 ` avagin
2011-03-14 1:03 ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-08 0:44 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-08 3:06 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-08 19:02 ` avagin
2011-03-09 5:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-09 6:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-10 14:08 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-08 8:12 ` Andrew Vagin
2011-03-09 6:06 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-04 1:38 ` CAI Qian
2011-05-09 6:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-09 8:47 ` CAI Qian
2011-05-09 9:19 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 8:11 ` OOM Killer don't works at all if the system have >gigabytes memory (was Re: [PATCH] mm: check zone->all_unreclaimable in all_unreclaimable()) KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 8:14 ` [PATCH 1/4] oom: improve dump_tasks() show items KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 23:29 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 10:14 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 8:15 ` [PATCH 2/4] oom: kill younger process first KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 23:31 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 10:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-11 23:33 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12 0:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-12 1:30 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12 1:53 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-12 2:23 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12 3:39 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-12 4:17 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12 14:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-13 10:18 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 8:15 ` [PATCH 3/4] oom: oom-killer don't use permillage of system-ram internally KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 23:40 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 10:30 ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2011-05-10 8:16 ` [PATCH 4/4] oom: don't kill random process KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 23:41 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-10 23:22 ` OOM Killer don't works at all if the system have >gigabytes memory (was Re: [PATCH] mm: check zone->all_unreclaimable in all_unreclaimable()) David Rientjes
2011-05-11 2:30 ` CAI Qian
2011-05-11 20:34 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-12 0:13 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12 19:38 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 4:16 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-13 11:04 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-16 20:42 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 6:53 ` CAI Qian
2011-05-16 20:46 ` David Rientjes
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