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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: CAI Qian <caiqian@redhat.com>,
	avagin@gmail.com, Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] oom: oom-killer don't use permillage of system-ram internally
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:30:29 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DCD0845.10409@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1105101632290.12477@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

(2011/05/11 8:40), David Rientjes wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2011, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>
>> CAI Qian reported his kernel did hang-up if he ran fork intensive
>> workload and then invoke oom-killer.
>>
>> The problem is, Current oom calculation uses 0-1000 normalized value
>> (The unit is a permillage of system-ram). Its low precision make
>> a lot of same oom score. IOW, in his case, all processes have<1
>> oom score and internal integral calculation round it to 1. Thus
>> oom-killer kill ineligible process. This regression is caused by
>> commit a63d83f427 (oom: badness heuristic rewrite).
>>
>> The solution is, the internal calculation just use number of pages
>> instead of permillage of system-ram. And convert it to permillage
>> value at displaying time.
>>
>> This patch doesn't change any ABI (included  /proc/<pid>/oom_score_adj)
>> even though current logic has a lot of my dislike thing.
>>
>
> s/permillage/proportion/
>
> This is unacceptable, it does not allow users to tune oom_score_adj
> appropriately based on the scores exported by /proc/pid/oom_score to
> discount an amount of RAM from a thread's memory usage in systemwide,
> memory controller, cpuset, or mempolicy contexts.  This is only possible
> because the oom score is normalized.

You misunderstand the code. The patch doesn't change oom_score.
The patch change fs/proc too.

>
> What would be acceptable would be to increase the granularity of the score
> to 10000 or 100000 to differentiate between threads using 0.01% or 0.001%
> of RAM from each other, respectively.  The range of oom_score_adj would
> remain the same, however, and be multiplied by 10 or 100, respectively,
> when factored into the badness score baseline.  I don't believe userspace
> cares to differentiate between more than 0.1% of available memory.

Currently, SGI buy 16TB memory. 16TB x 0.1% = 1.6GB. I don't think your
fork bomb process use bigger than 1.6GB. Thus your patch is unacceptable.

So, please read the code again. or run it.

> The other issue that this patch addresses is the bonus given to root
> processes.  I agree that if a root process is using 4% of RAM that it
> should not be equal to all other threads using 1%.  I do believe that a
> root process using 60% of RAM should be equal priority to a thread using
> 57%, however.  Perhaps a compromise would be to give root processes a
> bonus of 1% for every 30% of RAM they consume?

I think you are talking about patch [4/4], right? patch [3/4] and [4/4]
are attacking another issue. big machine issue and root user issue.


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  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-13 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-05 11:44 [PATCH] mm: check zone->all_unreclaimable in all_unreclaimable() Andrey Vagin
2011-03-05 15:20 ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-05 15:34   ` Andrew Vagin
2011-03-05 15:53     ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-05 16:41       ` Andrew Vagin
2011-03-05 17:07         ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-07 21:58           ` Andrew Morton
2011-03-07 23:45             ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-09  5:37               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-09  5:43                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-10  6:58                 ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-10 23:58                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-11  0:18                     ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-11  6:08                       ` avagin
2011-03-14  1:03                         ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-08  0:44             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-08  3:06               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-08 19:02                 ` avagin
2011-03-09  5:52                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-09  6:17                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-10 14:08                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-08  8:12               ` Andrew Vagin
2011-03-09  6:06                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-04  1:38     ` CAI Qian
2011-05-09  6:54       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-09  8:47         ` CAI Qian
2011-05-09  9:19           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10  8:11             ` OOM Killer don't works at all if the system have >gigabytes memory (was Re: [PATCH] mm: check zone->all_unreclaimable in all_unreclaimable()) KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10  8:14               ` [PATCH 1/4] oom: improve dump_tasks() show items KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 23:29                 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 10:14                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10  8:15               ` [PATCH 2/4] oom: kill younger process first KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 23:31                 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 10:15                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-11 23:33                 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12  0:52                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-12  1:30                   ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12  1:53                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-12  2:23                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12  3:39                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-12  4:17                           ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12 14:38                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-13 10:18                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10  8:15               ` [PATCH 3/4] oom: oom-killer don't use permillage of system-ram internally KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 23:40                 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 10:30                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2011-05-10  8:16               ` [PATCH 4/4] oom: don't kill random process KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-10 23:41                 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-10 23:22               ` OOM Killer don't works at all if the system have >gigabytes memory (was Re: [PATCH] mm: check zone->all_unreclaimable in all_unreclaimable()) David Rientjes
2011-05-11  2:30               ` CAI Qian
2011-05-11 20:34                 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-12  0:13                   ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12 19:38                     ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13  4:16                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-13 11:04                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-16 20:42                           ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13  6:53                   ` CAI Qian
2011-05-16 20:46                     ` David Rientjes

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