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From: "Vedran Furač" <vedran.furac@gmail.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	minchan.kim@gmail.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Memory overcommit
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:56:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AEF3968.6080903@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091030151544.GR9640@random.random>

Andrea Arcangeli wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 03:41:12PM +0100, Vedran FuraA? wrote:
>> Oh... so this is because apps "reserve" (Committed_AS?) more then they
>> currently need.
> 
> They don't actually reserve, they end up "reserving" if overcommit is
> set to 2 (OVERCOMMIT_NEVER)... Apps aren't reserving, more likely they
> simply avoid a flood of mmap when a single one is enough to map an
> huge MAP_PRIVATE region like shared libs that you may only execute
> partially (this is why total_vm is usually much bigger than real ram
> mapped by pagetables represented in rss). But those shared libs are
> 99% pageable and they don't need to stay in swap or ram, so
> overcommit-as greatly overstimates the actual needs even if shared lib
> loading wouldn't be 64bit optimized (i.e. large and a single one).

Thanks for info!

>> A the time of "malloc: Cannot allocate memory":
>>
>> CommitLimit:     3364440 kB
>> Committed_AS:    3240200 kB
>>
>> So probably everything is ok (and free is misleading). Overcommit is
>> unfortunately necessary if I want to be able to use all my memory.
> 
> Add more swap.

I don't use swap. With current prices of RAM, swap is history, at least
for desktops. I hate when e.g. firefox gets swapped out if I don't use
it for a while. Removing swap decreased desktop latencies drastically.
And I don't care much if I'll loose 100MB of potential free memory that
could be used for disk cache...

Regards.

Vedran

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-02 19:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20091013120840.a844052d.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
     [not found]   ` <hb2cfu$r08$2@ger.gmane.org>
     [not found]     ` <20091014135119.e1baa07f.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
2009-10-20 21:52       ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-26  1:55         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-26 16:16           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27  3:22             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  6:10               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27  6:34                 ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27  6:36                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  6:55                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27  7:45                       ` [RFC][PATCH] oom_kill: avoid depends on total_vm and use real RSS/swap value for oom_score (Re: " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  7:56                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27 12:38                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-28  0:22                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  0:45                               ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27  7:56                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  8:14                           ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27  8:33                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  8:52                               ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27  8:56                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 17:41                         ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28  0:13                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 18:39                         ` Hugh Dickins
2009-10-27 18:47                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-28  0:32                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-05 19:02                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-28  0:28                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  6:46                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27  6:56                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27 17:12               ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27 18:02                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 18:30                   ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27 20:44               ` Hugh Dickins
2009-10-27 21:04                 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  0:08                   ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28  0:25                     ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  0:39                       ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28  4:08                         ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  4:55                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  5:13                             ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  6:05                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  6:17                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  6:20                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29  8:38                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 11:11                                       ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-29 19:53                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 23:48                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-30  9:10                                             ` David Rientjes
2009-10-30  9:36                                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-03 20:49                                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04  0:50                                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-04  1:58                                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04  2:17                                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-04  3:10                                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04  3:19                                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-30 13:59                                           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 19:24                                             ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 19:58                                               ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28 13:28                           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28 20:10                             ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29  3:05                               ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-29  8:35                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 11:01                                   ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-29 19:42                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-10-30 13:53                                       ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 14:08                                         ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-10-30 15:13                                           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 14:12                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-30 14:41                                           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 15:15                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-30 16:24                                               ` Hugh Dickins
2009-11-02 19:56                                               ` Vedran Furač [this message]
2009-10-30 19:44                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 19:56                                           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28  0:43                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  2:47                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-28  3:17                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  4:12                   ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  8:10                     ` Hugh Dickins

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