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From: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>
To: Chris Worley <worleys@gmail.com>
Cc: Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>, Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@gmail.com>,
	david@lang.hm, Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@trippelsdorf.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux RAID <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Discard support (was Re: [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:20:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A86B605.5060701@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f3177b9e0908141738n5f99b85dx3de0f620180a4b46@mail.gmail.com>

Chris Worley wrote:
..
> So erase blocks are 512 bytes (if I write 512 bytes, an erase block is
> now freed)?  Not true.
..

No, erase blocks are typically 512 KILO-bytes, or 1024 sectors.
Logical write blocks are only 512 bytes, but most drives out there
now actually use 4096 bytes as the native internal write size.

Lots of issues there.

The only existing "in the wild" TRIM-capable SSDs today all incur
large overheads from TRIM --> they seem to run a garbage-collection
and erase cycle for each TRIM command, typically taking 100s of milliseconds
regardless of the amount being trimmed.

So it makes send to gather small TRIMs into single larger TRIMs.

But I think, even better, is to just not bother with the bookkeeping,
and instead have the filesystem periodically just issue a TRIM for all
free blocks within a block group, cycling through the block groups
one by one over time.

That's how I'd like it to work on my own machine here.
Server/enterprise users very likely want something different.

Pluggable architecture, anyone?  :)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-15 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-12 14:37 [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed Nitin Gupta
2009-08-12 22:48 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-08-13  2:30   ` Nitin Gupta
2009-08-13  6:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-13 14:44       ` Nitin Gupta
2009-08-13 17:45     ` Hugh Dickins
2009-08-13  2:41   ` Nitin Gupta
2009-08-13  5:05     ` compcache as a pre-swap area (was: [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed) Al Boldi
2009-08-13 17:31       ` Nitin Gupta
2009-08-14  4:02         ` Al Boldi
2009-08-14  4:53           ` compcache as a pre-swap area Nitin Gupta
2009-08-14 15:49             ` Al Boldi
2009-08-15 11:00               ` Al Boldi
2009-08-13 15:13   ` Discard support (was Re: [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed) Matthew Wilcox
2009-08-13 15:17     ` david
2009-08-13 15:26       ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-08-13 15:43     ` James Bottomley
2009-08-13 18:22       ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-13 16:13     ` Nitin Gupta
2009-08-13 16:26     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2009-08-13 16:33       ` david
2009-08-13 18:15         ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-13 19:18           ` James Bottomley
2009-08-13 20:31             ` Richard Sharpe
2009-08-14 22:03             ` Mark Lord
2009-08-14 22:54               ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-15 13:12                 ` Mark Lord
2009-08-13 20:44           ` david
2009-08-13 20:54             ` Bryan Donlan
2009-08-14 22:10               ` Mark Lord
2009-08-14 23:21                 ` Chris Worley
2009-08-14 23:45                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-08-15  0:19                     ` Chris Worley
2009-08-15  0:30                       ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-15  0:38                         ` Chris Worley
2009-08-15  1:55                           ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-15 13:20                           ` Mark Lord [this message]
2009-08-16 22:52                             ` Chris Worley
2009-08-17  2:03                               ` Mark Lord
2009-08-15 12:59                       ` James Bottomley
2009-08-15 13:22                         ` Mark Lord
2009-08-15 13:55                           ` James Bottomley
2009-08-15 17:39                             ` jim owens
2009-08-16 17:08                               ` Robert Hancock
2009-08-16 14:05                             ` Alan Cox
2009-08-16 14:16                               ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 15:34                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-08-16 15:44                                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-16 17:28                                   ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 17:37                                     ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 17:37                                     ` Mark Lord
2009-08-17 16:30                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2009-08-17 16:56                                         ` jim owens
2009-08-17 17:14                                           ` Bill Davidsen
2009-08-17 17:37                                             ` jim owens
2009-08-16 15:52                                 ` James Bottomley
2009-08-16 16:32                                   ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 18:07                                     ` James Bottomley
2009-08-16 18:19                                       ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 18:24                                         ` James Bottomley
2009-08-17 16:37                                           ` Bill Davidsen
2009-08-17 17:08                                             ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-17 17:19                                               ` James Bottomley
2009-08-17 18:16                                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-17 18:21                                                 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-17 19:18                                                   ` James Bottomley
2009-08-17 20:19                                                     ` Mark Lord
2009-08-17 20:28                                                       ` James Bottomley
2009-08-17 20:28                                               ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 16:59                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-17  4:24                                     ` Douglas Gilbert
2009-08-17 13:56                                     ` James Bottomley
2009-08-17 14:10                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-08-17 19:12                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-17 19:24                                           ` James Bottomley
2009-08-16 21:50                                   ` Discard support Roland Dreier
2009-08-16 22:06                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-08-16 22:13                                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-16 22:51                                       ` Mark Lord
2009-08-16 19:29                                 ` Discard support (was Re: [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed) Alan Cox
2009-08-16 23:05                                   ` John Robinson
2009-08-17  2:05                                     ` Mark Lord
2009-08-13 21:28             ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-13 22:20               ` Richard Sharpe
2009-08-14  0:19                 ` Greg Freemyer
     [not found]                   ` <46b8a8850908131758s781b07f6v2729483c0e50ae7a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-08-14 21:33                     ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-14 21:56                       ` Discard support Roland Dreier
2009-08-14 22:10                         ` Greg Freemyer
2009-08-13 17:19     ` Discard support (was Re: [PATCH] swap: send callback when swap slot is freed) Hugh Dickins
2009-08-13 18:08     ` Douglas Gilbert

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